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Charges weighed against military police
By PAUL KORING  Monday, October 1, 2007 – Page A1  Article Link

Several military police officers may face charges or disciplinary action for failing to call a full investigation into how Afghan prisoners were injured while in Canadian custody, according to sources close to the multiple investigations into allegations of detainee abuse.

But the Canadian Special Forces soldiers who captured and transported the Afghans suspected of being Taliban insurgents are expected to be cleared of using abusive or excessive force, the sources said.

Although the criminal investigation into allegations of abuse and military police conduct is continuing, The Globe and Mail has learned that no evidence points to unwarranted beatings or abuse of the three Afghans who suffered suspicious injuries, including facial cuts and bruises.

Sources familiar with the multiple (and in some cases parallel) investigations spoke on condition that they not be identified.

Nearly eight months after the probes were launched, soon after The Globe published articles about suspicious and unexplained injuries suffered by Afghan detainees while they were in the custody of Canadian soldiers, none of the inquiries are complete.

But the key criminal probe by the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service, created to be sufficiently independent that it can examine military police conduct and other sensitive issues, is nearing completion.

"They are looking at whether the MPs failed to launch an investigation despite knowing that detainees had been injured by other MPs," one source said.

A similar although apparently far less serious instance did result in a full-blown CFNIS investigation only two weeks after the incident involving the three Afghans captured by Canadian special forces.

In the second incident, military police ordered a CFNIS probe after it "was alleged that some Military Police had firmly grabbed the arms of one detainee while taking him to a military transport vehicle" on April 23, 2006. "The investigation was conducted by two senior members of the CFNIS" and included questioning of "all personnel involved in the transfer as well as with independent witnesses who confirmed that the detainee was handled in a highly professional manner," the Canadian Forces said last spring in describing the only investigation into an allegation of detainee abuse.
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Charges weighed against military police
By PAUL KORING  Monday, October 1, 2007 – Page A1  Article Link
In the second incident, military police ordered a CFNIS probe after it "was alleged that some Military Police had firmly grabbed the arms of one detainee while taking him to a military transport vehicle" on April 23, 2006. "The investigation was conducted by two senior members of the CFNIS" and included questioning of "all personnel involved in the transfer as well as with independent witnesses who confirmed that the detainee was handled in a highly professional manner," the Canadian Forces said last spring in describing the only investigation into an allegation of detainee abuse.
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You have got to be freaking kidding me ??? ::)  A full investigation by CFNIS, because an MP "firmly grabbed" a detainee? WTF  Are they that bored?  I can understand if someone assualted a detainee, but come on now this is ludicrous.
 
What?? They didn't just ask the guy nicely?? Imagine?? Probably the same Taliban guy that just blew up a bunch of innocent women and kids. 
 
Wow, that is absolutely ridiculous. Unless I'm mistaken, it is the duty of any peace officer, never mind just the MPs, to apply adequate and justified force in order to apprehend a suspect. Firmly grabbing someone by the arms does not sound like prisoner abuse in any way shape or form. All this leads me to ask, how is this news and why are valuable CF resources being wasted on such frivolous allegations. I mean seriously...
 
This is the same type of pc bs that saw two SF soldiers brought up on charges for shooting a taliban HVT. Fortunately the system worked and the charges were dropped. I hope these MP's get a fair shake.
 
firmly grabbing an insurgent?
Isn't that part of the international protocol & translates to "Come here & sit down!"

That was downright hospitable - must have caught the MP on a good day - imagine what he'd be like on a bad one.
 
Wow! In my younger rowdier days as a young Sapper I was grabbed very firmly by the MPs as they did their job . ;)
Yep  its the same BS we hear about Civvy Policemen when they arrest a gun carrying gangbanger.


Its just todays "Soft" world :crybaby:


Mark
 
It is indeed stupid. Oh just for fun facts, by 'firmly grabbing' an individual, it is considered on the use od force continuem as 'Empty Hand Control SOFT'. Yup you got it, SOFT. I think he suspect was indeed treated properly eh?
 
Isn't the issue this:

"They are looking at whether the MPs failed to launch an investigation despite knowing that detainees had been injured by other MPs," one source said.

That a timely and conclusive investigation was launched into this (second incident):
In the second incident, military police ordered a CFNIS probe after it "was alleged that some Military Police had firmly grabbed the arms of one detainee while taking him to a military transport vehicle" on April 23, 2006. "The investigation was conducted by two senior members of the CFNIS" and included questioning of "all personnel involved in the transfer as well as with independent witnesses who confirmed that the detainee was handled in a highly professional manner," the Canadian Forces said last spring in describing the only investigation into an allegation of detainee abuse.

But not this (first incident):
Although "already restrained by nylon straps to his wrists, ... the detainee used his legs to leverage himself off the back of a vehicle in an effort to generate resistance against the Military Police escorting him. In accordance with proper use of force procedures, Military Police used appropriate physical control techniques to restrain," according to the official version of the incident released last spring in response to questions from The Globe.

The first incident, the escapee, was reported...
nine months later when the high command in Ottawa reacted to published reports detailing the injuries.

I suspect this is all panic begets panic.  Someone is overreacting to someone's overreaction.
 
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