CANFORGEN 97/08 LDA FAQs

[PO2FinClk]

What about when a reservist is tasked to a field unit for the purposes of workup training? We were on work up for 11months for 1-08 attached to 3VP the whole time?

As clearly stated in this very thread and others, as well as the CANFORGEN released to this effect, a Casual Allowance would instead be granted.

Your overseas questions have also been answered in this thread and others, also take the time to read the references and you will answer all your own questions.

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[Eye In The Sky]

This one hasn't been updated for awhile, and I am on duty and bored so...

From CBI Chapter 205 - Section 2 - Environmental Allowances, Art 205.33 - Land Duty Allowance (LDA):

205.33 – LAND DUTY ALLOWANCE (LDA)

205.33(1) (Definition) The definitions in this paragraph apply to this instruction.

“accumulated eligible service” means any period during which a member was posted to a field unit or serving in a position designated by the Minister for the purpose of this instruction to the standard established in orders or instructions issued by the Chief of the Defence Staff. In addition, periods of service prior to 1 April 2007 with a field unit will also count toward eligible service calculation when determining level of Land Duty Allowance.

“field unit” means a unit, whose primary role is combat manoeuvre and training for operations or combat support and combat service support to the combat manoeuvre units. Canadian Forces personnel in these units can expect, as part of their normal duties, to be exposed to austere environmental and work conditions for extensive periods of time on a regular basis. These units will be equipped with field equipment, vehicles and stores for this role.

“posted” means posted to, attach posted to, called out or serving on full-time service.

205.33(2) (Eligibility) A member of the Regular Force or the Reserve Force on Class “B” or “C” Reserve Service posted to a field unit or any such unit designated by the Minister, or serving in a position designated by the Minister for the purpose of this instruction, is entitled to Land Duty Allowance at the monthly rate set out in the Table to this instruction for the member’s accumulated eligible service, unless the member is in receipt of category 2 or 3 allowance under CBI 205.385 (Joint Task Force 2 Allowance).

205.33(3) (Limitation) A member who is paid an allowance under CBI 10.3.05 (Hardship Allowance) or CBI 10.3.07 (Risk Allowance) is not entitled to be paid Land Duty Allowance under this instruction unless the member occupies a position designated by the Chief of the Defence Staff in accordance with CBI 10.3.08 (Environmental Allowances).

205.33(4) (Designation authority) For the purpose of this instruction, the Director General Compensation and Benefits may designate field unit positions on behalf of the Minister and the Chief of the Defence Staff.

205.33(5) (Points) The calculation of points corresponding to accumulated eligible service in the Table to this instruction shall be determined in accordance with paragraphs (3) and (4) in CBI 205.015 (Interpretation).  (from CBI 205.015 “accumulated eligible service” means the aggregate number points calculated in accordance with this instruction, wherein each point equates to one month.)

205.33(6) (Start and End Dates) Entitlement to Land Duty Allowance starts on the day on which the member reports for duty and ends on the earliest day on which the member:

(a) departs the unit as defined in CBI 205.015;
(b) is assigned a permanent medical category with medical employment limitation indicating unfit field environment;
(c) begins retirement leave;
(d) is posted to the Service Personnel Holding List;
(e) sick leave is extended for more than 180 days; or
(f) is subject to paragraph 3, attach posted in excess of 6 months.

Table to CBI 205.33

COLUMN 1 - ACCUMULATED ELIGIBLE SERVICE    COLUMN 2 - MONTHLY RATE (in dollars)

Less than 60 points  |  297
60 points or more but less than 108 points  |  422         
108 points or more but less than 144 points  |  548
144 points or more but less than 180 points  |  662
180 points or more but less than 216 points  |  705
216 points or more  |  748

205.335 – CASUAL LAND DUTY ALLOWANCE (CLDA)

205.335 (1) (Entitlement) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), a member who is not entitled to an allowance under CBI 205.33 (Land Duty Allowance) or category 2 or 3 allowance under CBI 205.385 (Joint Task Force 2 Allowance) is, when the member performs duty in the field, entitled to Casual Land Duty Allowance at the rate of:

(a) $24.71 for each complete 24-hour period of that duty; and
(b) $24.71 for any remaining period of that duty that is of six or more hours duration.

205.335(2) (Limit) The total amount of Casual Land Duty Allowance payable in a calendar month to a member shall not exceed the highest monthly rate set out in the Table to CBI 205.33 (Land Duty Allowance).

205.335(3) (Limitations) A member is not entitled to Casual Land Duty Allowance when in receipt of:

(a) an incidental expense allowance under the Canadian Forces Temporary Duty Instruction;
(b) an allowance under CBI 10.3.05 (Hardship Allowance); or
(c) an allowance under CBI 10.3.07 (Risk Allowance).

(TB, effective 1 April 2008)

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CBI 205.015 (Interpretation) covers all the stuff about accumulation of points for different allowances and the rest of the head-scratching stuff.

I only posted the LDA, however Section 2 of the CBI covers:

205.30 - PARATROOP ALLOWANCE
205.305 - CASUAL PARATROOP ALLOWANCE
205.31 - RESCUE SPECIALIST ALLOWANCE
205.32 - AIRCREW ALLOWANCE
205.325 - CASUAL AIRCREW ALLOWANCE
205.33 - LAND DUTY ALLOWANCE
205.335 - CASUAL LAND DUTY ALLOWANCE
205.34 - DIVING ALLOWANCE
205.345 - CASUAL DIVING ALLOWANCE
205.35 - SEA DUTY ALLOWANCE
205.355 - CASUAL SEA DUTY ALLOWANCE
205.36 - HYPOBARIC CHAMBER ALLOWANCE
205.37 - SUBMARINE ALLOWANCE
205.375 - CASUAL SUBMARINE ALLOWANCE
205.38 - EXCEPTIONAL HAZARD ALLOWANCE
205.385 - JOINT TASK FORCE 2 ALLOWANCE
205.395 - SURVEY ALLOWANCE

 

[helpup]

I am not on duty however I am waiting for my troops to be finished a task.  One thing that I have been wondering.  With in most of our cases previous service being documented.  How accurate is the records for tracking how much FOA a member has received over the years.  I could ball park it but after 20 years + of doing this job even I would be hard put to have it accurate let alone close to what it actually was.  I really find it hard to believe that the at times months and all the other weeks that happened early in my career are logged.  Especially since when I first joined our pay office used " paper " pay catalogues to track it all.  Are they going with an assumption for all of us? Use their best guess, which I doubt it would be any more accurate then my own? 

I do preach to my troops, and follow, of keeping a callender of the year of what they have done.  But I don't expect anyone to keep their entire career in some musty basement paperwork corner or locker.  I do recall early on that I had one callender that had me in garrison only for 3 months of the year.  And would that include the tastings that had me entitled for FOA while working with the BSL. Since my TD had to stop also during those times.........

Anyhow just a rambling question that even my MWO RMS clerk wife is not sure of. 

 

[aesop081]

  Are they going with an assumption for all of us? Use their best guess, which I doubt it would be any more accurate then my own? 

Your posting history is well documented thus it is easy to verify if you were in a unit that is elligible for the calculation.

 

[Towards_the_gap]

Just to add confusion to the mix....


...As commonwealth service is both pensionable, and creditable towards CD, will commonwealth ''field time'' count towards the points for this?

In my case, after 6 years service in the British Army, 5 years of which in a highly deployable unit, I left with 445 days LSA (longer seperation allowance), which is a taxable, daily allowance paid after the first 14 days of exercise/operations. My ROR IC think he can argue the case for me, but what do the pay guru's on here think?

Please note this ''field time'' is easily proved by my last pay statements received from the British Army.

 

[helpup]

Your posting history is well documented thus it is easy to verify if you were in a unit that is eligible for the calculation.

My posting history is mostly accurate, however my Field time in a unit,..... I doubt that.  I am until told differant going to assume that they will give an average amount of points for each year in a Field Unit, ( that would be 18 +) With the Start time for accurate accounting happening say 07.  I personally see this being a big mess for the next 3 years until Directive comes from Higher ( National Level ) As some units will be very persnickety about it ( no DSM you don't qualify since your back in Garrison ) and others will be a free for all. Sure CC you get it even though you only went to the Field on..................errrrr never mind you will get it.  ( mind you not a slag for the guys in my or any unit just an example of the problems )

 

[helpup]

Just to add confusion to the mix....


...As commonwealth service is both pensionable, and creditable towards CD, will commonwealth ''field time'' count towards the points for this?

In my case, after 6 years service in the British Army, 5 years of which in a highly deployable unit, I left with 445 days LSA (longer separation allowance), which is a taxable, daily allowance paid after the first 14 days of exercise/operations. My ROR IC think he can argue the case for me, but what do the pay guru's on here think?

Please note this ''field time'' is easily proved by my last pay statements received from the British Army.

And that is my point, we don't have ( that I am aware of) a total accumulation (accurately) of Field time,  It use to be done on a baseball sheet before going on Ex, and then if you were lucky you would get an advance.  Then it moved to log it OC/CO sign off on it and into your bank and current pay statement it goes.  However I highly doubt even since computers were common ( 90's ) that for each CF soldier there is a accurate log.  And if the pay level is on accumulated points then how are they making the starting level for those with more then say 10 years in.  Are they going to assume it is X points per year even though there will be more then some who never hit the Field due to what their job is or even who they are. ( and am more thinking of say SVC Bn but I am pretty sure ALL units have more then their share )

 

[George Wallace]

And that is my point, we don't have ( that I am aware of) a total accumulation (accurately) of Field time,  It use to be done on a baseball sheet before going on Ex, and then if you were lucky you would get an advance.  Then it moved to log it OC/CO sign off on it and into your bank and current pay statement it goes.  However I highly doubt even since computers were common ( 90's ) that for each CF soldier there is a accurate log.  And if the pay level is on accumulated points then how are they making the starting level for those with more then say 10 years in.  Are they going to assume it is X points per year even though there will be more then some who never hit the Field due to what their job is or even who they are. ( and am more thinking of say SVC Bn but I am pretty sure ALL units have more then their share )

???


Excuse me?  The Pay Records have an accurate record of how much time you were deployed in the Field and collecting Field Pay.

 

[helpup]

And that was the big part of what I was asking, and I will take your word for it and even believe it for say the last 10 years, But our pay system has a log of total Field time for a persons entire career? And that also includes the FOA we got on Crse when we would have to stop TD to get FOA.  I personally haven't seen any think like that in the odd times I have had a one on one with my Clerks and nor is my RMS Clerk wife aware of it.  Mind you at her rank she hasn't dealt with pay issues for a while.

 

[George Wallace]

You will also find that much of it should be listed on your MPRR.  If you were deployed on an OP or major Exercise, it will show up on your MPRR.  This may not include the week long Exercises you may go on while in the "Back Forty" at the Unit.  That is where your Pay Records are still the most accurate records. 

Now, have you been a concientious little soldier and maintained your own files at home?  Have you kept all your Pay Statements over the years, or just thrown then in the trash after you confirmed you had money in the bank?  Remember what they keep telling you about your Pay?  If you have your Pay Statements, you have a record of your Field Time.

I got all my pay Records from day one.......Man!  I was paid peanuts way back when.

 

[MJP]

 And if the pay level is on accumulated points then how are they making the starting level for those with more then say 10 years in.  Are they going to assume it is X points per year even though there will be more then some who never hit the Field due to what their job is or even who they are. ( and am more thinking of say SVC Bn but I am pretty sure ALL units have more then their share )

Well for the purpose of the LDA (as I understand it) it doesn't matter if you went to the field or not.  All that determines the points for allocation is if you did or did not belonged to one of the designated field units.  If so they take each month or portion thereof and give you your point.  So yes some people that may not go to the field as much as other will get the same amount as someone who spends in inordinate amount of time in the field.

 

[aesop081]

My posting history is mostly accurate, however my Field time in a unit,.....

I dont think you understand. Field time is not the issue. What is the issue is the dates you were posted to a filed unit as laid out in the directive.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

You will also find that much of it should be listed on your MPRR.  If you were deployed on an OP or major Exercise, it will show up on your MPRR.  This may not include the week long Exercises you may go on while in the "Back Forty" at the Unit.  That is where your Pay Records are still the most accurate records. 

Interesting you say Major Exercises, got to double check mine again, but I was on a Brigade Ex (EX Maritime Raider 08) and Area EX (ARCON 07)and I don't think I have seen then on MPRR. I know they are in my UER as I entered them myself.

I got all my pay Records from day one.......Man!  I was paid peanuts way back when.

and you rode into battle on the newest invention of the time....... the chariot.  ;D

 

[RubberTree]

Possibly a silly question but...
If one is posted to a unit that is a detachment of a field unit...does that count as being posted to a field unit? Just curious is all.

 

[aesop081]

don't think I have seen then on MPRR. I know they are in my UER as I entered them myself.

You wont see that on an MPRR as it doesnt belong there.

 

[George Wallace]

Interesting you say Major Exercises, got to double check mine again, but I was on a Brigade Ex (EX Maritime Raider 08) and Area EX (ARCON 07)and I don't think I have seen then on MPRR. I know they are in my UER as I entered them myself.

I know I have OP Norwhal on my MPRR.  I considered it an Ex, but that may have only been me.  Others must have considered it an OP.  All my TD to other locations, such as Kingston to Instruct, have been noted on my MPRR also.  It will indicate your postings and taskings, so a record of your time in a "Field Designated Unit" will be there.

 

[aesop081]

, so a record of your time in a "Field Designated Unit" will be there.

I will be listed in the "posting history" field of the MPRR. Time away on "EX ICE BLOCK 99" will not. I have my MPRR right in front of me.

 

[George Wallace]

I will be listed in the "posting history" field of the MPRR. Time away on "EX ICE BLOCK 99" will not. I have my MPRR right in front of me.

OK, but the "Field Designated Unit" of that you are/were posted to one will be.  What Unit were you with at that time?  Then the dates that you were in that Unit are listed.  Those are the dates used to calculate.

 

[PuckChaser]

Interesting you say Major Exercises, got to double check mine again, but I was on a Brigade Ex (EX Maritime Raider 08) and Area EX (ARCON 07)and I don't think I have seen then on MPRR. I know they are in my UER as I entered them myself.

It may be different for reservists (if you are one, can't tell from the profile). I was on Stalwart Guardian 04 and it is not listed as I wasn't on Cl B, just a Cl A route letter. Only thing on my MPRR for taskings were Cl A at my unit, Cl B at CFSCE and then Cl B/C at 2 EW/TFA - Kandahar.

 

[armyvern]

It may be different for reservists (if you are one, can't tell from the profile). I was on Stalwart Guardian 04 and it is not listed as I wasn't on Cl B, just a Cl A route letter. Only thing on my MPRR for taskings were Cl A at my unit, Cl B at CFSCE and then Cl B/C at 2 EW/TFA - Kandahar.

It works the same way for Reg&ResF (except for the NavRes - they are in a world of their own & I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing).

The MPRR and the UER are two different things.

What is listed on the MPRR is the member's posting/assignment history. That is:
- Postings,
- Attached Postings;
- Operations.

Within your UER (the Unit Employment Record!!), there are four (4) different coloured sheets onto which are recorded:

1.  Qualification Record Sheet (This sheet identifies your promotions and other qualifications)

2.  Miscellaneous Entries Sheet (This sheet identifies quals with no specific codes such as "Life Skills", "Spill response", annual BFT, Annual PWT)

3.  Qualification Summary Supplemental (This sheet identifies specific "Trade" qualifications)

4.  Employment History Record Sheet (This sheet records all of your employment History throughout your career. It records all information about postings, including exercises and change in rank or position. Each section you worked in, each ex you participated on, each tasking you did from "start date" to "end Date"). <--- It is SOP to review this file with your supervisor to ensure it is updated, and I suggest to you, that if you have never been asked by any of your supervisors to sit in for a "UER Review" that you approach them and ask for one - sooner rather than later.