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Canadian vs American LE Incident/Media Management (split from Tesla explosion thread)

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Just to hijack the thread, but if this happened in Canada would we (the public) know anything about the incident or the perpetrator by now? I’m always amazed at the openness of US authorities vice Canada’s “Nothing to see here folks” way of informing (or not) the public.
 
Just to hijack the thread, but if this happened in Canada would we (the public) know anything about the incident or the perpetrator by now? I’m always amazed at the openness of US authorities vice Canada’s “Nothing to see here folks” way of informing (or not) the public.

There would be some out for sure. A few well connected reporters would probably have had 80% good info out of their police sources within a day and a half.

If the subject of some event were alive and charged, the name and charges would be out, probably the evidence at a bail hearing would be under a publication ban.
 
Just to hijack the thread, but if this happened in Canada would we (the public) know anything about the incident or the perpetrator by now? I’m always amazed at the openness of US authorities vice Canada’s “Nothing to see here folks” way of informing (or not) the public.
Oh yeah. I’ve heard Canadian journalists say a few times how much easier it is to information from the US government alphabet soup info machines than it is any Canadian government entity, even on investigations before the courts.
 
Oh yeah. I’ve heard Canadian journalists say a few times how much easier it is to information from the US government alphabet soup info machines than it is any Canadian government entity, even on investigations before the courts.
It definitely varies. The FBI doesn’t tend to give a lot out, although US federal indictments by the way they’re written give quite a bit of info.

Individual police services may give more. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police briefing on this one gave a ton of detail and images. LVMP’s comms have been very impressive. I think that may be a product of the city of Las Vegas being sensitive to anything that will scare away tourists.
 
Canadian police have been maligned when they have released the early details on high profile events- usually some of the details aren’t exactly correct and this is used to beat them over the head- there was a movement mid 2000s to try and release stuff faster but it was ruined.

There are alot of conversations on other projects and large incidents about how specialized media people can help get info out and moved around with better accuracy. What needs to be out at the right time kinda thing
 
Canadian police have been maligned when they have released the early details on high profile events- usually some of the details aren’t exactly correct and this is used to beat them over the head- there was a movement mid 2000s to try and release stuff faster but it was ruined.

There are alot of conversations on other projects and large incidents about how specialized media people can help get info out and moved around with better accuracy. What needs to be out at the right time kinda thing
Assuming the media types are kept properly in the loop and up to speed. We on the investigative teams aren’t always great at that.
 
Assuming the media types are kept properly in the loop and up to speed. We on the investigative teams aren’t always great at that.
We re building media people into these major incidents now- civilian media “commanders” are in planning now as options. Sometimes as advisors sometimes as commands under the newer functions like Good/Silver/Bronze styled responses. It’s new but it’s promising. Specific civilians working for the rcmp. I ve had good experiences with them so far- most if it is still developing protocols
 
Canadian police have been maligned when they have released the early details on high profile events- usually some of the details aren’t exactly correct and this is used to beat them over the head- there was a movement mid 2000s to try and release stuff faster but it was ruined.

There are alot of conversations on other projects and large incidents about how specialized media people can help get info out and moved around with better accuracy. What needs to be out at the right time kinda thing
Major case managers are gun shy about anything that will defence can use to suggest inconsistency or confusion. Even if it is from the very early stages when those two conditions are natural, all they have to do is plant seeds. In the early stages, it can often be hard to tell what information needs to be 'hold back'.

Even seemingly benign events such as a citation or award for a job well done now have to be pushed off until after court because defence were wanting to have speeches, presentations, etc. disclosed, presenters cross-examined, etc. Of course, there were often no records. Planting seeds.

There are other differences as well. If charges were potential, documents found at a scene, through a search warrant, etc. are evidence and not likely revealed up here. Even if no charges, coroners, in Ontario anyway, would not likely release them right away. Something that seems innocuous now might be really crucial later.

Mug shots aren't considered public domain up here and we don't 'perp walk'.

We re building media people into these major incidents now- civilian media “commanders” are in planning now as options. Sometimes as advisors sometimes as commands under the newer functions like Good/Silver/Bronze styled responses. It’s new but it’s promising. Specific civilians working for the rcmp. I ve had good experiences with them so far- most if it is still developing protocols
Having trained media relations people on board from the early stage is a part of the Major Case Management system used in Ontario now, and media training has been improved, in terms of both the investigators and media relations members themselves.
 
The American system, generally, is incompatible with our court system for a variety of reasons. The body worn camera rollout is going to change a lot of how policing is viewed over the next few years
 
What's the main driving force behind that?
Whining from people.

Just kidding. Theres lots of value in getting the right information out at the right time- community alerts, getting the facts right- being transparent when we have mistakes.

Traditionally we aren’t totally sure what we re allowed to say- because police executives are not up to date investigators or use of force experts or lawyers or media folks.

So having SMEs from that function and a media person allows you to in theory get the right amount and level of information out with minimal delay.

If you leave it up to cops it could be way to fast and loose or it could be way to slow as it wanders around command groups.

When it’s public safety both of those are unacceptable. Media is important. Information is important. Having an expert embedded allows us to use the media in a way that supports public safety goals. It can also keep us from screwing up investigations and avoid millions of dollars in lawsuits.

Information out of police should always be seen as a “push/pull” relationship. We push things out for goals like public safety, awareness etc- but it’s also a pull function- where we take in tips etc where we get info we may not know exists if someone doesn’t offer it. Sometimes we don’t know what we don’t know.

Not every division of the RCMP is doing it the same way- relationships with provincial officials can influence some of this as well.
 
Perhaps one of the factors in the appearance of American LE authorities managing media differently is the greater "political" aspect. While there will always be an elected official at the top of the heap, often, south of the border, that elected official is also the most senior LEO or prosecutor. Not only may they have practical or statutory reasons for media involvement but they, like all politicians, are always campaigning.
 
Smerconish on Saturday discussed it on his show. The difference between the Las Vegas incident and the New Orleans one.

Vegas was info and need to know stuff from LEOs.

New Orleans was everyone under the sun patting each other on the backs and politicians making political statements about everything and the press. Gong show.

I hope ours don’t get political as they do there. I want to hear from the proper authorities at a briefing. Not from an Mp or a mayor with an agenda
 
Smerconish on Saturday discussed it on his show. The difference between the Las Vegas incident and the New Orleans one.

Vegas was info and need to know stuff from LEOs.

New Orleans was everyone under the sun patting each other on the backs and politicians making political statements about everything and the press. Gong show.

I hope ours don’t get political as they do there. I want to hear from the proper authorities at a briefing. Not from an Mp or a mayor with an agenda
I heard the same thing from a couple of American commentators like Dan Abrams and on the Julie Mason show. Congressman John Kennedy* was mentioned as an example of a politician sticking his nose where it didn't belong.

* No relation to the other Kennedys.
 
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