Canada's tanks

[Swampbuggy]

Whyizzit South Korea, a country twice the size of Nova Scotia, with 50,000,000 people, no noticeable resource base, that was flattened 70 years ago, is still actively militarily engaged is becoming / has become the free world's arsenal?

155mm shells. Its own fleet of home grown rockets and missiles. Cannons and Mortars. Tanks and IFVs. Cars. Fighters. Ships. Submarines. Drones for every environment. Computers. Radios. Chips. Lasers. Radars. TVs. Consumer goods. Industrial equipment. Pumps. Tanks (vessels). Reactors.

Whyizzit Poland, a country the size of Newfoundland and Labrador, with 36,000,000 people, that was flattened by war 80 years ago, subjugated for 40 years, emerged with a third world level of GDP, is now on track to overtake the UK for GDP, is buying S. Korean designs and building them faster in their thousands, along with new ships, homegrown missiles..... I could go on?

And Canada?

Lacks will. Lacks initiative. Lacks incentive. Slack. Idle. Wanting In Military Proficiency. I find myself hard pressed NOT to see Canada in those terms. This land and its resources are wasted on us.

Hostile existential threat on their respective borders. We have 3 oceans and a “allied” superpower as a buffer between similar threats. So, we romanced the pug while the world turned and failed to recognize our own existential threats might be right on our doorstep. If, IF, we come out the other side of this as a sovereign nation, we have to elect people that are realistic about the ways of the world, our place in it and how to stand on our own feet.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Hostile existential threat on their respective borders. We have 3 oceans and a “allied” superpower as a buffer between similar threats. So, we romanced the pug while the world turned and failed to recognize our own existential threats might be right on our doorstep. If, IF, we come out the other side of this as a sovereign nation, we have to elect people that are realistic about the ways of the world, our place in it and how to stand on our own feet.

Canadians and our politicians need to shift the thinking from what the country can do for them, to what they can do for the country.

I always loved that quote from JFK.

 

[PrairieFella]

Canadians and our politicians need to shift the thinking from what the country can do for them, to what they can do for the country.

I always loved that quote from JFK.

I personally think we've been watching this shift in real time across the political spectrum.

 

[KevinB]

Whyizzit South Korea, a country twice the size of Nova Scotia, with 50,000,000 people, no noticeable resource base, that was flattened 70 years ago, is still actively militarily engaged is becoming / has become the free world's arsenal?

155mm shells. Its own fleet of home grown rockets and missiles. Cannons and Mortars. Tanks and IFVs. Cars. Fighters. Ships. Submarines. Drones for every environment. Computers. Radios. Chips. Lasers. Radars. TVs. Consumer goods. Industrial equipment. Pumps. Tanks (vessels). Reactors.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of 155mm shells in SK came from the US.
Home Grown is a huge misnomer for most of their items as well, as nearly everything was based on a US system that was then co-developed between SK and US Defense Companies.
You will find a lot of the SK Mil items could be limited by the US as well.
*now if SK cares? I think that would remain to see if the US withdraws from SK, if they did, I suspect SK wouldn't give two shits that the US say no on exports or licensing.

Whyizzit Poland, a country the size of Newfoundland and Labrador, with 36,000,000 people, that was flattened by war 80 years ago, subjugated for 40 years, emerged with a third world level of GDP, is now on track to overtake the UK for GDP, is buying S. Korean designs and building them faster in their thousands, along with new ships, homegrown missiles..... I could go on?

And Canada?

Lacks will. Lacks initiative. Lacks incentive. Slack. Idle. Wanting In Military Proficiency. I find myself hard pressed NOT to see Canada in those terms. This land and its resources are wasted on us.

Hard Times Makes Hard People...

A lot of the West is soft due to the hard work of our forefathers (and foremothers).

The rebound hangover is quite a bitch.

 

[Kirkhill]

Canadians and our politicians need to shift the thinking from what the country can do for them, to what they can do for the country.

I always loved that quote from JFK.

I'd be happy if Canadians did for themselves let alone did for their country. I'm guessing that government failure in Korea and Poland did a lot to convince the locals to do it for themselves.

1990 - Poles go to Germany and buy two suitcases of shampoo and return to Poland to sell them there, or sell them into Belarus.
1992 - Poles buy vans to move shampoo and cosmetics
1995 - Poles start a shipping company.

etc.

And there was no government telling they couldn't do it.

 

[Kirkhill]

Keep in mind that the vast majority of 155mm shells in SK came from the US.
Home Grown is a huge misnomer for most of their items as well, as nearly everything was based on a US system that was then co-developed between SK and US Defense Companies.
You will find a lot of the SK Mil items could be limited by the US as well.
*now if SK cares? I think that would remain to see if the US withdraws from SK, if they did, I suspect SK wouldn't give two shits that the US say no on exports or licensing.

Hard Times Makes Hard People...

A lot of the West is soft due to the hard work of our forefathers (and foremothers).

The rebound hangover is quite a bitch.

They would probably care exactly as much as the SMLE/AK47 armourers of Kabul.

And at what point does a modified patent become a completely new patent?

 

[KevinB]

They would probably care exactly as much as the SMLE/AK47 armourers of Kabul.

LOL

And at what point does a modified patent become a completely new patent?

The base issue is where did the technology originate from. It has nothing to do with patents - but the IP that went into the formulation of the design. Washington has never made a big deal about SK exports, and encouraged a lot of them due to either (or a combo of) US production limits, and the desire not to have American kit somewhere.
The K1, K2, and K9 for instance, where all made with JV support from US designs, as were a lot of the missiles, and their torpedo and guidance system.

That said, I think the SK items are a fantastic value for the money. I think a JV with Canadian production of the K2, K21 and K9 would be a massive boost for Canada.

 

[Kirkhill]

LOL

The base issue is where did the technology originate from. It has nothing to do with patents - but the IP that went into the formulation of the design. Washington has never made a big deal about SK exports, and encouraged a lot of them due to either (or a combo of) US production limits, and the desire not to have American kit somewhere.
The K1, K2, and K9 for instance, where all made with JV support from US designs, as were a lot of the missiles, and their torpedo and guidance system.

That said, I think the SK items are a fantastic value for the money. I think a JV with Canadian production of the K2, K21 and K9 would be a massive boost for Canada.

Having been involved in crafting and defending patents internationally I can say that source matters not. You can't even properly defend IP/Patents in Canada or the EU, let alone the rest of the OECD. And there are a hundred other countries out there outside of the OECD.

As I've said before, companies I have worked for came to the conclusion that registering IP was a mug's game. The only answers were to keep your cards close to your chest and run faster than the other guys. As soon as you launched a new product the reverse engineering by competitors started. Once upon a time an innovation could dominate a market for a decade. Now you are lucky if you get a couple of years.

 

[KevinB]

Having been involved in crafting and defending patents internationally I can say that source matters not. You can't even properly defend IP/Patents in Canada or the EU, let alone the rest of the OECD. And there are a hundred other countries out there outside of the OECD.

As I've said before, companies I have worked for came to the conclusion that registering IP was a mug's game. The only answers were to keep your cards close to your chest and run faster than the other guys. As soon as you launched a new product the reverse engineering by competitors started. Once upon a time an innovation could dominate a market for a decade. Now you are lucky if you get a couple of years.

I don't mean to be rude but you have zero experience in ITAR, EUC's, and the Armaments Industry, I however do.
That's said, sometimes it can be more profitable for a US Defense Corporation to take the royalty and not tell the USG anything (and suffer the fines if caught).

 

[Kirkhill]

I don't mean to be rude but you have zero experience in ITAR, EUC's, and the Armaments Industry, I however do.
That's said, sometimes it can be more profitable for a US Defense Corporation to take the royalty and not tell the USG anything (and suffer the fines if caught).

Not rude. Statement of fact. Accepted as such.

However my opinion is people are much the same regardless of which industry they are in. And laws are exactly as valid as the intent of the people required to honour them.

Just ask your POTUS.