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Canada-US Trade Relations

Trump was in Indiana tonight and during the rally he mentioned the trade deal with Mexico and that Canada was in talks at the White House. He said that he likes Canada but the tariff on dairy brought into Canada would see a tariff on cars brought into the US. Either Canada backs down or auto workers will pay the price. Stay tuned for a trade deal announcement. 
 
The irony is that the US physically exports twice as much dairy product to Canada as Canada does in return, so it’s not like the 300% really stops them.  If the US federal government is subsidizing 75% of the American dairy production, then Canada’s 300% tariff just normalizes the price of the significantly underpriced dairy that America attempts to dump into the Canadian market.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see Canada tie a reciprocal reduction in US softwood lumber tariffs to...you know...comply with WTO findings that the US’ tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber are excessive.

If there is an agreement, it will be conditional, and not a walk in the park for Trump.

:2c:

Regards
G2G
 
Good article on why one shouldn't mess with the auto trade sector without really studying the subject.

Is there even such a thing as a 'Made in America' vehicle anymore?

Peter Armstrong · CBC News · Posted: Aug 31, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 23 minutes ago

One of the most popular vehicles in the United States is a perfect example of why it would be so hard and so destructive to impose tariffs on Canadian-made cars in the name of protecting American ones.

The Toyota RAV4 — the bestselling non-truck in America — is made in Woodstock, Ont. In fact, 247,633 of them were made there last year. The process to build each one is an intricate dance of manufacturers and suppliers in multiple countries, with hundreds of trucks a day crossing borders back and forth between Canada, the United States and Mexico to deliver parts.

The engines are shipped from West Virginia and Alabama.
The transmissions are made by a supplier in North Carolina.
The seats are built in Elmira in southwestern Ontario. But that supplier brings in wire harnesses from Mexico and metal brackets from Kentucky.
The sunroof and door frames are made in Stratford, Ont., with parts coming from all over North America
. . .
She points to the American Automobile Labeling Act. Even it, the only public source of content data in the U.S., counts both American and Canadian manufacturing as "domestic."

"There is no way to tell what an American car is" she says. "Or how American your car is on any public data source available to consumers."

So, consumers can't tell where their vehicles are really made. The auto industry has spent decades making these intricate and complex supply chains more efficient. That's saved billions of dollars — savings that have been passed onto the consumer. (DesRosiers says the average cost of a car, adjusted for inflation, is about the same as it was 15 years ago.)

Undoing or even complicating that process will rattle an entire industry and add thousands of dollars to the cost of a vehicle.

Which is why DesRosiers can't understand why the Trump administration would even consider going down that path.

"You'd need an absolute idiot in Washington to do that," he says.

"Even a Grade 12 economics student could figure out this is the absolute worst thing to do for both countries."

Read the full article here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/armstrong-autos-tariffs-toyota-rav4-1.4805236

:cheers:
 
Bombshell release by The Toronto Star, may mean no NAFTA deal.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html
 
Although he seems to be trying to say otherwise, I think he's now more desperate than ever to make a deal with Canada. Just look at the newest approval rating survey.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/31/donald-trump-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-of-his-presidency
 
Ashkan08 said:
Although he seems to be trying to say otherwise, I think he's now more desperate than ever to make a deal with Canada. Just look at the newest approval rating survey.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/31/donald-trump-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-of-his-presidency

I'm sure cancelling the raise for federal workers, which wasn't even a raise anyways but a cost of living increase, is going to hurt these numbers even more.  I thought the economy was doing great though?  I guess when you give a trillion dollar tax break to the wealthiest you have no room for the peasants.
 
AlexanderM said:
Bombshell release by The Toronto Star, may mean no NAFTA deal.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html


What? The trump administration not negotiating in good faith?  Not much of a bombshell.  I doubt an agreement will be in place today with that revelation confirmed.
 
AlexanderM said:
Bombshell release by The Toronto Star, may mean no NAFTA deal.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html

Well this came out about 25 minutes ago. It's going to be pretty awkward for Trump now...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240
 
BloomBerg must be going ballistic with TorStar,  how can anyone trust a journalist to keep things off the record anymore? :rofl:  T
 
Remius said:
What? The trump administration not negotiating in good faith?  Not much of a bombshell.  I doubt an agreement will be in place today with that revelation confirmed.

It just goes to show you how ridicules those that used this to score cheap political points are.  Why would you appease a President with a low approval rating that a majority of Canadians blame for this mess. 
 
Trump has very high approval ratings and he wants a deal with Canada. I think Trudeau is under pressure to get a deal done so it will be interesting to watch over our long weekend.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Trump has very high approval ratings and he wants a deal with Canada. I think Trudeau is under pressure to get a deal done so it will be interesting to watch over our long weekend.

Yeah there is truth in this at all.  Trump continues to slide in the polls.  I'd actually like some proof of these high approval ratings for once.  Stabbing federal employees in the back, while cutting taxes at the same time to corporations,  is going to hurt him even more. 

Trudeau has no pressure to get a deal done.  Trump is just a bully who thinks he can push everyone around.  The Friday deadline has nothing to do with Canada but has everything to do with Mexico's outbound president and Trump shitting his pants over the mid-terms. It's an artificial deadline more important to Trump than Canada.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Trump has very high approval ratings and he wants a deal with Canada. I think Trudeau is under pressure to get a deal done so it will be interesting to watch over our long weekend.
Even Fox news which is pro Trump has admitted than in June surveys, Trump had an approval rating of 45% ( this was in June, right now his approval rating is at the lowest point recorded, as I wrote before).  I'll put a link to prove that it's a fact, not an opinion.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/07/fox-news-poll-record-approval-trump-on-economy-optimism-on-n-korea.html
 
Ashkan08 said:
Even Fox news which is pro Trump has admitted than in June surveys, Trump had an approval rating of 45% ( this was in June, right now his approval rating is at the lowest point recorded, as I wrote before).  I'll put a link to prove that it's a fact, not an opinion.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/07/fox-news-poll-record-approval-trump-on-economy-optimism-on-n-korea.html

Which should be even lower now considering the great, super, excellent North Korean talks turned into a complete bust. 
 
Polling democrats keep the popularity numbers down. Candidates that seem to win do so after getting his endorsement.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-among-republicans-trump-more-popular-1487793074-htmlstory.html
 
Seems like the Trump threats didn't make us rush into a deal like he expected us too . NAFTA negotiations have concluded this week ( with no deal made ) and will resume again this weekend.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240

P.S. Thanks tomahawk. The CTV source says next week but CBC says this weekend.
 
Ashkan08 said:
Even Fox news which is pro Trump has admitted than in June surveys, Trump had an approval rating of 45% ( this was in June, right now his approval rating is at the lowest point recorded, as I wrote before).  I'll put a link to prove that it's a fact, not an opinion.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/07/fox-news-poll-record-approval-trump-on-economy-optimism-on-n-korea.html

Mid term drop? Obama had the same thing. Obama's 2011 year is the same as 2018 for Trump, looks pretty close.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/205284/obama-job-approval-rate-by-the-american-public/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/666113/approval-rate-of-donald-trump-for-the-presidential-job/
 
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