- Reaction score
- 18,728
- Points
- 1,260
For a while the Hungarian ParaCommandos had shot at me the most, but they topped out at #6.
I get along with the French pretty well, I just try to stay clear of Vandoos and I think I'm good
Canada to Spend $5.0Bil on AEW Aircraft
- Thread starter calculus
- Start date
Good example. A fate the Quebecois would like to avoid.
Unlike Canada, we pride ourselves on being a melting pot, not a mixed salad. (I was going to use the word tossed, but that could be misconstrued
Different country. Different perspective. And this is something even most Anglocanadians don't even fully understand. The Quebecois don't see themselves as just another immigrant group. They see themselves as a founding people in this country. Not only were they first Europeans to establish themselves in North America, they developed strong and unique relationships with aboriginals with cultural influences that continue to this day. So no, they won't just randomly give up their culture (of which their language is a big part) just because the Irish changed their accents to fit in to Boston. And we must not forget that this was litigated to the point that the country nearly broke up. So it's not a small matter.
High school French is mostly useless when it comes to talking. And there are memes about the Americans and Anglocanadians who think they can speak French because they took it in high school. Think "Emily in Paris". That said, you might get better treatment if you tried to talk French to Francophones.
Last edited:
GR66
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 3,633
- Points
- 1,160
You seem to be under the assumption that our future AEW aircraft will be the E-7 Wedgetail.
Can't remember what site I read it on (Canadian Defence Review?), but the author suggested it was no coincidence that Bombardier all of a sudden dropped their complaints about the P-8 being selected for the CMMA project just before the Government announces the planned purchase of AEW aircraft.
I certainly won't be shocked if (when) the Globaleye is selected over the E-7.
- Reaction score
- 14,433
- Points
- 1,010
It would not be terrible if Globaleye gets the nod.
On topic the reason to avoid Mirabel isn't because of French. We stood up 2 Wing in Bagotville without really thinking about whether anglo spouses would be able to move there. So I doubt that would be a barrier to setting up a new unit at Mirabel. The simple reason to set up at an existing MOB is simply to leverage existing base services. If it's going to be in the area, better Ottawa than Mirabel, in that regard. But most likely an existing maritime patrol, transport or fighter base. Or long shot North Bay just because their wing is there.
There's more than one Bombardier option. Here's the other (arguably better) one:
L3Harris Unveils Global 6500 CAEW For NATO E-3 Replacement | Aviation Week Network
L3Harris plans to transfer a mission system integrated on the out-of-production Gulfstream G550 to the military version of the Bombardier Global 6500.
aviationweek.com
And if combined with a VVIP fleet replacement, all based in Ottawa, it'd be quite the coup for both the RCAF and Bombardier. It also gives us a possible lead in to working with the US on a SIGINT/ELINT capability if we want to get into that game:
:quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/HAYLEFQADFBHNJCB2WEGTAYRHU.jpg)
Bombardier wins US Army contract for new spy plane prototype
Bombardier will supply its Global 6500 business aircraft as a prototype for the Army's newest aerial intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance plane.
www.defensenews.com
So while there will be lots of folks disappointed if the Wedgetail isn't picked, it's not at all certain the Wedgetail is necessarily the best choice here.
- Reaction score
- 1,300
- Points
- 1,060
Common airframe for RCAF would make too much sense.
There's more than one way to achieve commonality though. Wedgetail with P-8s is one way. GlobalEye/Global CAEW with a Global VVIP fleet is another way. And the second way actually saves AEW airframe life, because the VVIP aircraft can be used for pilot currency.
Colin Parkinson
Army.ca Myth
- Reaction score
- 9,925
- Points
- 1,160
Speaking of French, the greatest revenge English Canada can have on Quebec is we all learn Parisian French.
- Reaction score
- 18,728
- Points
- 1,260
I’d suggest the E-7’s range/endurance is a feather for it, versus the GlobalEye, as well as the greater range and 360degree of the radar.There's more than one Bombardier option. Here's the other (arguably better) one:
L3Harris Unveils Global 6500 CAEW For NATO E-3 Replacement | Aviation Week Network
L3Harris plans to transfer a mission system integrated on the out-of-production Gulfstream G550 to the military version of the Bombardier Global 6500.
And if combined with a VVIP fleet replacement, all based in Ottawa, it'd be quite the coup for both the RCAF and Bombardier. It also gives us a possible lead in to working with the US on a SIGINT/ELINT capability if we want to get into that game:
Bombardier wins US Army contract for new spy plane prototype
Bombardier will supply its Global 6500 business aircraft as a prototype for the Army's newest aerial intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance plane.
So while there will be lots of folks disappointed if the Wedgetail isn't picked, it's not at all certain the Wedgetail is necessarily the best choice here.
Not fully understanding the size/space requirements for the system, I would guess that the E-7 also has a lot more room for growth.
The question that could be asked is whether or not the RCAF could conduct the missions better with say 5 E-7 and 6-8 of the 6500 in HADES?
Using a HADES to shadow/second airframe the VVIP flights in listening only mode.
Tabernac. Chalice. Esti.
Honestly, this difference between Quebec and Parisian French is very exaggerated. And usually brought up by those who don't have base level fluency so believe it's the accent that throws them off.
The E-7 is a much more capable aircraft. But that comes with costs. More $$$ to acquire. More $$$ to operate. Larger crews, which is a big ask for a force struggling with numbers.
I'd say the more important (likely) question is which option will likely impact economy and industry more. Should be added that the HADES was not suggested as an alternative to the E-7. Potentially an add-on capability to a 6500 GlobaEye/CAEW.
- Reaction score
- 5,100
- Points
- 1,060
Sure. But this isn't a question about the French people, some of whom can be snooty. This is about anglophones who routinely insist they can't understand French because they were taught "Parisian French". This is like a non-English speaker saying they can't speak to any Americans because they learnt British English. We'd find that absurd.
Also, I think most Quebecois would be happy if the rest of us learned more French regardless of which slang and accent we picked up.
This is a long off-topic sidebar. But we'd also be better off as a country if more us anglophones learned French. And this is an area where the CAF the broader federal government has kinda failed us by making so difficult to get SLT.
- Reaction score
- 1,581
- Points
- 1,140
Sounds like you need a posting to Bagotville or Valcartier then.
Definitely. But if you got an oral B at some point in your career, it's highly unlikely you would drop down to zero. You'd probably pick it up within days of immersion. Say on TD to Quebec.
- Reaction score
- 1,300
- Points
- 1,060
Split it off into another topic than. I can speak Northern Ontario French and that’s always got me by in Quebec and France. Even (for most part) Haiti.
However, now settled in BC, having another founding language does one very little good and while a person might be better off with it terms of the 1955-2006 Laurentianite view of the world, it counts for naught.
Hindi, Mandarin, and most importantly a local subset of the Athabaskan languages would be good. Unless the conversation is about money, then it’s all English.
However, now settled in BC, having another founding language does one very little good and while a person might be better off with it terms of the 1955-2006 Laurentianite view of the world, it counts for naught.
Hindi, Mandarin, and most importantly a local subset of the Athabaskan languages would be good. Unless the conversation is about money, then it’s all English.
- Reaction score
- 1,300
- Points
- 1,060
I love the Saguenay region. Just absolutely gorgeous in the fall and splendid seasons for the rest. And to hunt, fish, the area is top drawer.
you must have been in Paris. They don't even talk to their own people from Normandy
- Reaction score
- 1,300
- Points
- 1,060
That implies buying a fleet of VVIP just to have the GlobalEye. Fine, but that cost should be part of the overall bid if it forms a driving part of the overall offering.
I’m personally not keen on supporting a particular industry player (that’s a government political requirement not a military requirement) so much as standing up a capability. I also don’t think it’s Bombardiers fault they are a casual part time player in military airframes, that is the fault of the Canadian governments with their 50 year attitude of disdain for supporting defence procurement. If GlobalEye/Global CAEW is the better platform and all at a similar cost and it won’t be a unicorn fleet, then by all means. That puts Canada on par with the UAE and Sweden for platform but it should not be acquired just because “it’s Canadian”. That door was closed starting in 1968.
Also, to what extent would AAR be a platform requirement.
Similar threads
