CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[QV]

Possibly a new Forum on Quebec/Alberta separation???

GIESBRECHT: What if Alberta really said goodbye to Canada?​

'Seriously, if Alberta did become the 51st state, what would happen to the Canada that remained?'

Brian Giesbrecht - 28 Jan 25 - Western Standard

There needs to be a monumental shift in attitude and economic policy to reverse the current situation and unify the country.

It might be too late.

Another 7 months of a Carney led LPC government backed by the NDP will not help. I'm not sure a PP lead CPC government could/would reverse the slide either, especially the way the senate is going, and the entrenched attitudes of half the country.

If the country does fracture, not too worry, whatever is left of Canada will elect a majority LPC every time. Some might call that a win.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There needs to be a monumental shift in attitude and economic policy to reverse the current situation and unify the country.

It might be too late.

Another 7 months of a Carney led LPC government backed by the NDP will not help. I'm not sure a PP lead CPC government could/would reverse the slide either, especially the way the senate is going, and the entrenched attitudes of half the country.

If the country does fracture, not too worry, whatever is left of Canada will elect a majority LPC every time. Some might call that a win.

If Alberta leaves the country will crumble. The whole thing is a house cards right now.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Is this really the guy we want negotiating with Trump over our oil and gas? His single statement here should be enough to make people run. This is what you get if you support the liberals. Bigger pain, more poverty and third world conditions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884269140338409767

 

[Kirkhill]

Is this really the guy we want negotiating with Trump over our oil and gas? His single statement here should be enough to make people run. This is what you get if you support the liberals. Bigger pain, more poverty and third world conditions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884269140338409767

JFHC!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The National Energy Program is to Alberta what Conscription is to Quebec. A central government policy enforced against the will of the local population, politicians and polity.

Ottawa did it to Quebec twice.
Are they going to do it to Alberta twice?

They are liberals. What else would you expect? Fairness, negotiation, respect? They will ask no quarter or give it.

 

[torg003]

If Alberta leaves the country will crumble. The whole thing is a house cards right now.

No province can unilaterally leave Canada. That's a constitutional change and requires a referendum.

BTW, Alberta would have to vote to leave Confederation, not Canada. Would that mean they'd go back to being a territory? It would actually affect Sask. as well, since both provinces were created at the same time (by dividing the NWT districts between BC and Man. into 2 provinces). Maybe the Gov't of Canada would just rename Alberta as Athabaska or Assinaboia. (not saying that any of this is likely to happen).

 

[Halifax Tar]

No province can unilaterally leave Canada. That's a constitutional change and requires a referendum.

BTW, Alberta would have to vote to leave Confederation, not Canada. Would that mean they'd go back to being a territory? It would actually affect Sask. as well, since both provinces were created at the same time (by dividing the NWT districts between BC and Man. into 2 provinces). Maybe the Gov't of Canada would just rename Alberta as Athabaska or Assinaboia.

Okie dokie.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

No province can unilaterally leave Canada. That's a constitutional change and requires a referendum.

BTW, Alberta would have to vote to leave Confederation, not Canada. Would that mean they'd go back to being a territory? It would actually affect Sask. as well, since both provinces were created at the same time (by dividing the NWT districts between BC and Man. into 2 provinces). Maybe the Gov't of Canada would just rename Alberta as Athabaska or Assinaboia. (not saying that any of this is likely to happen).

I wanna be there when you run that by Quebec.

 

[torg003]

Hey, a province can hold a referendum if they like, but that doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want if they win. Constitutional changes require a popular vote by Canadians, or that it be passed by 7 out of 10 provinces having over 50% of the population.

 

[QV]

I wouldn't discount the possibility of any province leaving confederation, to go it alone or join the union.

I estimate that an uncertain future, a history of national apathy, and ton of economic pain followed by a sweetened offer that would change all that could shift a lot of opinions.

 

[Remius]

If Alberta leaves the country will crumble. The whole thing is a house cards right now.

That’s what they said about Brexit.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

JFHC!

What?

 

[brihard]

Hey, a province can hold a referendum if they like, but that doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want if they win. Constitutional changes require a popular vote by Canadians, or that it be passed by 7 out of 10 provinces having over 50% of the population.

That’s only one of several amending formulas. I’d suggest the more appropriate one would be s.43, requiring majority votes in the House of Commons, the Senate, and the province in question.

The federal Clarity Act also speaks the process by which an individual province could hold a referendum for secession. It states that negotiation involving Parliament and all provinces would be required, but doesn’t expressly state which amending formula would be in play.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Bullying cases the Bank of England have jumped under Mark Carney

There were between 21 and 39 formal probes into bullying and harassment between the Canadian’s appointment in July 2013 and June this year, a freedom of information request has revealed.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

• Mark Carney, mentioned in the post, was the Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020, making him a significant figure in international finance.
  
  
• The post references a news article from the Belfast Telegraph about an increase in bullying and harassment cases at the Bank of England during Carney's tenure, highlighting a controversial aspect of his leadership.
  
  
• The mention of Carney in the context of voting suggests political implications, possibly referring to his potential involvement in Canadian politics or public opinion on his previous roles.
  
  

 

[QV]

So now we can with confidence see the immediate tariff threat is strictly related to border fentanyl.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884663127930708238

 

[Kirkhill]

What?

JesusFHChrist.

 

[Kirkhill]

So now we can with confidence see the immediate tariff threat is strictly related to border fentanyl.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884663127930708238

I am gonna guess and suggest the problem isn't foot traffic and private vehicles but scanning containers at ports of entry like Vancouver?

 

[Czech_pivo]

I am gonna guess and suggest the problem isn't foot traffic and private vehicles but scanning containers at ports of entry like Vancouver?

Folks it’s between 34-43 pounds of Fentanyl captured at the US land border coming from Canada in 2024.
Mexico?
Over 21,000 pounds in comparison.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If a province really wants out and says, "We're out", what is it you think Canada is going to do? Fight to keep them in?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Folks it’s between 34-43 pounds of Fentanyl captured at the US land border coming from Canada in 2024.
Mexico?
Over 21,000 pounds in comparison.

34-43 pounds is what was caught.