CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[Klinkaroo]

So I take it, its not true being a Corporal, you don't receive Spec pay 1 immediately?

He also asked if he needed his corporals to get spec pay or did he get it after just his QL5A.

 

[cp140tech]

Exactly, he's asking what is required for spec pay in addition to being a Cpl....  we're just distracting from the point of the thread now.  I'm done on this one.

 

[Klinkaroo]

Same, I could have misread.

 

[childs56]

QL5 When you finished your on Type Aircraft Training. For Example you were finished your OT for The F18 for starts, parks etc. Any where from 6 months to a year after you finished your AVN Tech Training in Borden.

 

[cp140tech]

People posted into shops are granted a QL5 having never completed a type course. 
It used to be granted on completion of your rotation, but I'm not sure what they use now...  it hasn't been necessarily tied to type specific training in the units I've been employed in.  Things are always changing, it's really tough to say how long it can take.

 

[strauss]

There was some talk back in April about Firefighters getting spec pay. With the new 170+ day QL3 course just brought in, has there been an update on going to spec 1?

 

[BiNkY]

I've searched the archives and haven't found anything more recent than 2006 on this.
I was talking to a CSOR dude in washington a couple weeks ago and he mentioned they are suppose to get their spec pay sometime soon, anywhere from $1800-3000. I know it has been sitting on the board for awhile, I wondering if anyone knows more about this.

 

[dapaterson]

Members of CSOR do not remuster to a new occupation.  Therefore, they will not receive spec pay - spec pay is assigned to specific occupations (like LCIS tech or SAR tech).  It is possible (and perhaps likely) that they will receive an allowance similar to SOA (CBI 205.401), as received by JTF-2 members.

 

[Infanteer]

I couldn't decipher the difference in that CBI between JTF2 allowance and SOA allowance - are the two mutually exclusive?  And am I correct in assuming that the difference between Table's A and B of the JTF2 Allowance are dependant on the position one fills in that unit?

 

[421_434_226]

I could see the SOA allowance for the personnel who actually fill those positions, although would the supporters not be entitled to LDA by virtue of the unit.

 

[dapaterson]

The CBI for the JTF 2 alowance reads (in part):

(Entitlement) A member on eligible service is entitled to Joint Task Force 2 Allowance at the applicable monthly rate as set out in Table "A" or "B" to this instruction for the member's accumulated eligible service and Joint Task Force 2 category of service as designated by the Chief of the Defence Staff.

which suggests, to me, that there is a need to know document, issued under the authority of the CDS, that designates what you are entitled to.  Only folks who could give a perfect answer, though, are those who do the pers admin for folks entitled - and I suspect they aren't talking. (At least, I hope they're not).


There's nothing in the text for the SOA and JTF2 allowances that makes them mutually exclusive.  Thus, certain folks may be collecting both.  Again, only their hairdressers know for sure...

 

[Infanteer]

There's nothing in the text for the SOA and JTF2 allowances that makes them mutually exclusive.  Thus, certain folks may be collecting both.  Again, only their hairdressers know for sure...

If barbers ever got together and decided to write a book.... >

 

[Good2Golf]

The CBI information available on DND's internet site indicates the separate nature of the environmental allowance (205.385) as a member of JTF 2, and the specialty allowance (205.401) as a qualified special operations assaulter.  205.401 notes that you may be eligible for the specialty allowance while not currently serving at the unit.

Infanteer, you're joking about there being a barber at the unit, right?  ;D

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Maybe he knows something that we don't G2G  ;D

 

[Infanteer]

Infanteer, you're joking about there being a barber at the unit, right?   ;D

Hey, someone has to be there to keep those wicked sideburns and handlebar mustaches in check.  Anyways, I read it in a book I got at Chapters with some cool pictures on the cover....

 

[Good2Golf]

True, only they seem to get away with sideburns that once used to be "the standard" (as in back when work dress and ascots were dress of the day)...oh for the good old days!

 

[Armymedic]

To answer the original question, CANSOF has pertitioned the Treasury Board for approval of allowances for CSOR along the same line and in accordance with JTF2/SOA remuneration. Members of CSOR do not earn any extra money beyond Para Allowance and the new FOA allowances at the present time.

 

[dapaterson]

Actually, CANSOF would to the CF authorities, and DGCB, part of CMP, would draft the documentation and go to TB.  No other L1s would go outside DND for pay and compensation issues.

 

[The_Falcon]

Yeah, basically good2golf covered it in regards to the JTF2 allowances.  I asked one of their recruiters about it, basically said the same thing the JTF2 Allowance is for all personnel employed in the unit (with the varying levels dependant on your job function), and the SOA allowance was, an additional allowance for the assualters (they get both, and if my memory is correct it was to try to provide an incentive to stay, rather than go work for a PMC back at the begining of OIF/OEF).

 

[421_434_226]

Thanks for the links Good2Golf, I now understand better how the JTF2 and SOA allowances would work, and how a similar allowance would most likely work for CSOR also.

edit: for clarity