Cabinet Shuffle- (Wednesday 26 July).

[SeaKingTacco]

Too bad she has the charisma of ... well ... a corporate lawyer

I will take that in heartbeat over indifference or incompetence.

 

[Quirky]

A lot of backbench MPs are pretty scared for their jobs and pensions now.

They should be scared that the peasants will revolt and drag them out into the streets, which is what should be done considering the state of this country. It's a disgusting state of affairs when MPs are more worried about themselves, their benefits and not their constituency.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The only issue with that premise is that TB is the worst place to bury anyone if that is the goal. She will be in regular contact with every cabinet minister and parliamentary secretary for every department and agency. She will also be the one to help enable each one’s mandates. If anything she now has more ability to lead a caucus revolt than before assuming that is something that could happen.

If you wanted to bury her you send her to veterans affairs or some other area with little influence.

VAC would be a demotion and she would literally be taking orders from Bill Blair. That, right there, might spark the caucus revolt PMO fears.

 

[Remius]

VAC would be a demotion and she would literally be taking orders from Bill Blair. That, right there, might spark the caucus revolt PMO fears.

It doesn’t have to be VAC. Not my point. The point is that TB is the worst place to put anyone you want to bury to avoid any type of revolt.

 

[Brad Sallows]

But what does that have to do with secularism and forcing others to follow. If you don't want to use marijuana, don't. If you don't want to terminate a pregnancy, don't. Secularism does nothing to inhibit people pursuing what some call "competing concepts of the good life". All it does is inhibit one religion or belief imposing itself on the rest in the shared public space.

If you don't want to own firearms, don't...

Oh, we could go on and on.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It doesn’t have to be VAC. Not my point. The point is that TB is the worst place to put anyone you want to bury to avoid any type of revolt.

The problem is: how many more competent women can PMO afford to publicly throw under the bus?

Never think of the long term consequences when trying to solve a short term problem seems to be the watchword of this Government.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Too bad she has the charisma of ... well ... a corporate lawyer

It worked pretty well for Paul Martin, and I respect he made some very hard economic choices that were necessary but also meant he had to know that was the end of the line for him at the next election.

 

[Good2Golf]

The problem is: how many more competent women can PMO afford to publicly throw under the bus?

Never think of the long term consequences when trying to solve a short term problem seems to be the watchword of this Government Justin and Katie.

I don’t know who’s worse. Justin for his false-feminism, or Katie Telford for implementing the actions.

 

[Quirky]

The problem is: how many more competent women can PMO afford to publicly throw under the bus?

Ironic that JT wanted more women in cabinet, only find out they are more competent than him. It's obvious that he only wants them for the tokenism and political advantage and not for their competency, he's a true narcissist.

 

[YZT580]

Legalization of cannabis has nothing to do with religious secularism creeping in to law. Nor is it forcing a view on anyone; it eliminated a prohibition. That’s an invalid example for what I asked.

Legalization of abortion was not an act of policy or legislation; it was the courts striking down a prohibition. Yes, you can correctly say that the Charter is a piece of legislation - and it is - but again this was not secularism forcing itself on anyone else. Nor does it obligate any doctor to themselves provide a medical abortion procedure. The striking down of the criminal code prohibition of abortion was, if anything, reversing a status quo where religious notes were forced upon women at the expense of their own autonomy. Again, for several reasons, not an example that addresses my question and that withstands scrutiny.

on pot you think not because you are not a resident in an area where it is grown and processed. The stench is terrible. And yes it was secularism creeping in. Most religious organizations have a standard code of conduct and a moral code from which standard our country created its laws. The last 50 years has seen a steady erosion of those standards, arguing that they interfere with an individual's freedom of choice. His right to play 'god' with his life instead of society establishing certain limitations. And the abortion issue I mentioned was really related to the initial striking down of the law but referred to the most recent attempt to put a limitation on what is currently a legal free for all. That was stymied by the secularist concept that woman's rights trump the right of a new-borne child to live should the woman not desire that child to do so.

 

[YZT580]

Too bad she has the charisma of ... well ... a corporate lawyer

just like Harper

 

[Kirkhill]

The only issue with that premise is that TB is the worst place to bury anyone if that is the goal. She will be in regular contact with every cabinet minister and parliamentary secretary for every department and agency. She will also be the one to help enable each one’s mandates. If anything she now has more ability to lead a caucus revolt than before assuming that is something that could happen.

If you wanted to bury her you send her to veterans affairs or some other area with little influence.

Interesting. Could a C.D. Howe emerge from a place like Treasury Board?
Parliament's power is the power of the purse and the President of the Treasury Board holds the strings.

 

[Good2Golf]

just like Harper

Or Martin…or arguably Chretien, when he wasn’t throttling people trying to assault him.

 

[IKnowNothing]

on pot you think not because you are not a resident in an area where it is grown and processed. The stench is terrible. And yes it was secularism creeping in. Most religious organizations have a standard code of conduct and a moral code from which standard our country created its laws. The last 50 years has seen a steady erosion of those standards, arguing that they interfere with an individual's freedom of choice. His right to play 'god' with his life instead of society establishing certain limitations.

Losing the ability to force everyone to live by the standards of your religion is not "having beliefs forced upon you", and the insistence to maintain that ability from a wing of a party that supposedly stands for personal freedom and small government is absolutely hilarious hypocrisy.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Harper at least is an economist, not a lawyer. The two have entirely different world views and modes of thinking.

 

[lenaitch]

on pot you think not because you are not a resident in an area where it is grown and processed. The stench is terrible.

As was tobacco in the areas of Ontario where it was grown and cured. As was living near a pulp mill, which is often the primary industry of a town.

The locals call it the smell of money.

 

[dimsum]

Parliament's power is the power of the purse and the President of the Treasury Board holds the strings.

But according to below (from the TB site), the President doesn't approve/deny things though - Cabinet does that. The President of TB is in charge of the implementation.

The formal role of the President is to chair the Treasury Board. The President carries out the responsibility for the management of the government by translating the policies and programs approved by Cabinet into operational reality and by providing departments with the resources and the administrative environment they need to do their work. The Treasury Board has an administrative arm, the Secretariat, which was part of the Department of Finance until it was proclaimed a department in 1966.

 

[OldSolduer]

I will take that in heartbeat over indifference or incompetence.

In a heartbeat for sure. She was actually pretty good considering her "replacement" is an indifferent, incompetent boob.

 

[IKnowNothing]

As was tobacco in the areas of Ontario where it was grown and cured. As was living near a pulp mill, which is often the primary industry of a town.

The locals call it the smell of money.

Don't forget animal shit. City transplants looove the smell of it when they move to the country

 

[Kirkhill]

But according to below (from the TB site), the President doesn't approve/deny things though - Cabinet does that. The President of TB is in charge of the implementation.

The President doesn't have the unilateral power to approve. But can she deny?

"Still working on yesterday's priority, boss."
"Oh! It was buried here on my desk underneath this CSIS report on.... Chinese Interference? When did that one get here?"

As a member of parliament is she in a position to find allies in the House and to ensure that their approved projects don't disappear into the pile?

Ultimately, in my view, that is the original power of Parliament. Parliament couldn't originate grand projects. It could, however, deny the King the money for the King's grand projects. It can still deny the King's government the money for its grand projects. It seems to me that that ability to deny has a very real and very human face.

To be fair if she were to be too obvious too often she probably wouldn't last long in the position. Unless she had more friends than her boss.