C3 Howitzer Replacement

[Kirkhill]

Last I checked they were using NATO stand ammo.

I thought the idea was to use NATO standard rounds. Just NATO navy rounds.

 

[KevinB]

For @Kirkhill

https://twitter.com/x/status/1737484146270749129

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Meanwhile don't be stupid around artillery guns. Charges inbound for the girl and the Gun Commander I suspect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1737225827689885869

 

[FJAG]

I've seen folks who should have known better standing in the wrong place when an M109 fires. Hair was shorter in those days and thus it was less dramatic.

 

[MilEME09]

Swedish Archer in Ukraine, from arriving in site, to first round down range, 11 seconds.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738950360834662865

 

[Kirkhill]

Swedish Archer in Ukraine, from arriving in site, to first round down range, 11 seconds.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738950360834662865

More on this from The Sun

 

[MilEME09]

Makes it, in my opinion a good high mobility howitzer for light or mechanized forces

 

[KevinB]

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Makes it, in my opinion a good high mobility howitzer for light or mechanized forces

To me it’s not Light, and while I see it useful for LAV/Stryker/Boxer wheeled armies, I don’t see it as the best option for true mech forces.

 

[FJAG]

To me it’s not Light, and while I see it useful for LAV/Stryker/Boxer wheeled armies, I don’t see it as the best option for true mech forces.

I've made my comments about the Archer before and my view that it only carries 21 rounds on board. The Wikipedia page that says it has a (salvo fire rate of three rounds in 15 seconds (effective rate, 720 rounds per hour)) is just plain stupid. With the reload time between magazines, it can probably get off 80 rounds an hour at best - something that a good Canadian crew can do on an M777 in ten minutes. - But I digress.

I like anything with a 155/52 (not ready for a 58 calibre yet) - I'm not to concerned if the chassis is a Paladin, a K9, or something else so long as the crew can operate under armour and can be rapidly resupplied by a limber vehicle without having to expose oneself. I prefer tracked and just about everything now comes with self location and rapid emplacement and displacement. I'm not all that much against wheeled vehicles but I've been through enough soggy fields and deep snow to appreciate the advantage tracks can give a heavy vehicle like a 155 SP.

 

[Maxman1]

I've made my comments about the Archer before and my view that it only carries 21 rounds on board. The Wikipedia page that says it has a (salvo fire rate of three rounds in 15 seconds (effective rate, 720 rounds per hour)) is just plain stupid. With the reload time between magazines, it can probably get off 80 rounds an hour at best - something that a good Canadian crew can do on an M777 in ten minutes. - But I digress.

I like anything with a 155/52 (not ready for a 58 calibre yet) - I'm not to concerned if the chassis is a Paladin, a K9, or something else so long as the crew can operate under armour and can be rapidly resupplied by a limber vehicle without having to expose oneself. I prefer tracked and just about everything now comes with self location and rapid emplacement and displacement. I'm not all that much against wheeled vehicles but I've been through enough soggy fields and deep snow to appreciate the advantage tracks can give a heavy vehicle like a 155 SP.

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To me it’s not Light, and while I see it useful for LAV/Stryker/Boxer wheeled armies, I don’t see it as the best option for true mech forces.

M109 seems like the best option, plus the upcoming M1299 variant has a 52 calibre barrel.

 

[FJAG]

M109 seems like the best option, plus the upcoming M1299 variant has a 52 calibre barrel.

The K9 has a 52 calibre and BAE is working on a Paladin variant

BAE Tests 52-Caliber Barrel on M109 Self-Propelled Howitzer

BAE Systems successfully fired 155 millimeter projectiles from a M109 Self-Propelled Howitzer modified with the Rheinmetall L52 155mm, 52-caliber cannon....

www.defense-aerospace.com

 

[Maxman1]

The K9 has a 52 calibre and BAE is working on a Paladin variant

The M1299 is the 52 calibre Paladin variant.

 

[suffolkowner]

The M1299 is the 52 calibre Paladin variant.

I think they are two separate options or programs.

M109-52 Self-Propelled Howitzer

BAE Systems upgrades the lethality of the latest generation M109 Self-Propelled Howitzer (SPH) by integrating the proven Rheinmetall L52 155mm, 52-caliber cannon system. Merging these two highly capable artillery systems, the M109-52 SPH provides the optimal balance between lethality, system...

www.baesystems.com

 

[FJAG]

The M1299 is the 52 calibre Paladin variant.

Actually the M1299 uses an experimental L58 barrel. The current A7 Paladin has an L39 barrel.

I'm starting to have my doubts about the M1299 - its autoloader has apparently gone down to a 23 round magazine. From what I've seen the only place where it will be deployed is as a single GS battalion in each Armoured Div (Reinforced).

I think originally the hope was to replace all M109s with M1299 but that seems to be changing.

 

[suffolkowner]

I get the Germans confused Rheinmetall and KMW

M109-52 Self-Propelled Howitzer

BAE Systems upgrades the lethality of the latest generation M109 Self-Propelled Howitzer (SPH) by integrating the proven Rheinmetall L52 155mm, 52-caliber cannon system. Merging these two highly capable artillery systems, the M109-52 SPH provides the optimal balance between lethality, system...

www.baesystems.com

Artillery - KNDS

A description.

www.knds.de

If the M777 gets back in production we will probably just buy more of them

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I used to be Meh about the Archer. but really seems suited for these shoot and scoot missions. They would also fit the LAV battalions well.

 

[FJAG]

f the M777 gets back in production we will probably just buy more of them

The current plan is SPs for Latvia.

 

[suffolkowner]

The current plan is SPs for Latvia.

Well that is exciting. So many possibilities. Is it an UOR thing? Because otherwise it will be another 10 or 15 years

 

[FJAG]

Sooner than later.

 

[Kirkhill]

I used to be Meh about the Archer. but really seems suited for these shoot and scoot missions. They would also fit the LAV battalions well.

Only if they put it on the MSVS SMP.

The Volvo drags on the Highway.