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No doubt -

But in 1970 Germany was the main political thrust. Norway was a sideshow. The Army followed the politicians and paid exactly as much attention to it as the politicians wanted. Germany, 1 Canadian Air Division and 4 CMBG (1 Cdn Div) was the main thrust.

At the time of the Beatty paper we could have shifted focus to the North.

I still believe that that would have created a more useful post-Cold-War force.
 
The Scandinavians seem to be busy against the Russians on our Right Flank.
The Americans seem to be busy against the Russians and Chinese on our Left Flank
And we seem to engage the Russians overhead occasionally.

“Overhead” is still pretty left-flank-ish, geographically speaking. That one was intercepted by F-16s, F-35s, and CF-18s.
 

“Overhead” is still pretty left-flank-ish, geographically speaking. That one was intercepted by F-16s, F-35s, and CF-18s.

But we are still expected to show up, if only for moral support.
 
You misunderstand me.

The CF-18s, and the Canadians in Alaskan Region, Western Air Defence Sector, Eastern Air Defence Sector, and NORAD HQ aren’t just there for moral support.

Thanks for the correction. My error.
 
No doubt -

But in 1970 Germany was the main political thrust. Norway was a sideshow. The Army followed the politicians and paid exactly as much attention to it as the politicians wanted. Germany, 1 Canadian Air Division and 4 CMBG (1 Cdn Div) was the main thrust.

At the time of the Beatty paper we could have shifted focus to the North.

I still believe that that would have created a more useful post-Cold-War force.

Except we had already shit the bed about CAST in Norway (Brave Lion) before the "Beatty paper" "Challenge and Commitment, A Defence Policy for Canada" was issued. And though it was only two short years before the Wall fell, the White Paper and a lot of project planning that emanated from it was basing the main effort on "Central Europe is the geographic focus of the wider contest between East and West. It is the centre of gravity in the balance of power. The greater concentration of of military power is found there. . . . is not necessarily the most likely place for conventional conflict to begin, . . . but it would quickly become the decisive battlefield". We hadn't won the Cold War, yet; that was still to be realized.

To somehow suggest that "The Army" was only focused on Germany because "politicians" wanted it so, gives more credit to the BGHs at NDHQ than they deserve.
 
Except we had already shit the bed about CAST in Norway (Brave Lion) before the "Beatty paper" "Challenge and Commitment, A Defence Policy for Canada" was issued. And though it was only two short years before the Wall fell, the White Paper and a lot of project planning that emanated from it was basing the main effort on "Central Europe is the geographic focus of the wider contest between East and West. It is the centre of gravity in the balance of power. The greater concentration of of military power is found there. . . . is not necessarily the most likely place for conventional conflict to begin, . . . but it would quickly become the decisive battlefield". We hadn't won the Cold War, yet; that was still to be realized.

To somehow suggest that "The Army" was only focused on Germany because "politicians" wanted it so, gives more credit to the BGHs at NDHQ than they deserve.

NATO's flanks were supposed to be protected by a 'Light Brigade' sized formation - the AMF (L).

As I had it explained to me once their main role was to ensure that, once the Russians invaded, enough casualties from contributing member states occurred to ensure that those countries had an excuse to enter the fray. Europeans were, and continue to be, notoriously gun shy when it comes to confronting Russia.

Light Brigade, indeed...

 
Except we had already shit the bed about CAST in Norway (Brave Lion) before the "Beatty paper" "Challenge and Commitment, A Defence Policy for Canada" was issued. And though it was only two short years before the Wall fell, the White Paper and a lot of project planning that emanated from it was basing the main effort on "Central Europe is the geographic focus of the wider contest between East and West. It is the centre of gravity in the balance of power. The greater concentration of of military power is found there. . . . is not necessarily the most likely place for conventional conflict to begin, . . . but it would quickly become the decisive battlefield". We hadn't won the Cold War, yet; that was still to be realized.

To somehow suggest that "The Army" was only focused on Germany because "politicians" wanted it so, gives more credit to the BGHs at NDHQ than they deserve.

I was trying to be civil.😁
 
Although this is from 2012, it is unique.

Service medal awarded to hero's widow 06.12.12

Corporal Bryan Budd & the Siege of Sangin | Victoria Cross | August 2006

 
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I'm sure this is nothing that standing up yet another 'even more special' light unit won't fix ;)


A new report from the House of Lords International Relations and Defence Committee has raised concerns about the capability of the British Army, concluding that its current size is inadequate to meet NATO commitments and sustain large-scale conflict, particularly in light of lessons learned from the war in Ukraine.​

The report, titled Ukraine: A Wake-Up Call, outlines significant gaps in the UK’s defence posture and calls for urgent reforms to ensure the British military is prepared to counter growing threats from Russia.

Chaired by Lord de Mauley, the committee launched the inquiry in February 2024—two years after Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine—with the goal of assessing the conflict’s implications for UK defence policy.

The report criticises the UK’s current defence capabilities and warns that successive governments have allowed a gap to emerge between the UK’s global power ambitions and the reality of its military readiness.

 
Perhaps reeling in the ambitions would bring the British Army back to being able to meet the commitments.

As my old economics teacher used to say: " If the government asks you how to raise the GDP Per Capita, you have to advise that they can either increase GDP or reduce the number of capita. It's not your place to deal with the moral dilemma."
 
The spooks are busy....

Russia on mission to cause mayhem on UK streets, warns MI5​


Russia's intelligence agency has been on a mission to generate "sustained mayhem on British and European streets", the head of MI5 has said.

Giving his annual update on security threats faced by the UK, Ken McCallum said GRU agents had carried out "arson, sabotage and more dangerous actions conducted with increasing recklessness" in Britain after the UK backed Ukraine in its war with Russia.

MI5 had also responded to 20 plots backed by Iran since 2022, he said, although he added the majority of its work still mostly involved Islamist extremism followed by extreme right-wing terrorism.

The complex mix of terror-related threats and threats from nation states meant MI5 had "one hell of a job on its hands", he warned.

In a wide-ranging speech, he said:

  • Young people were increasingly being drawn into online extremism, with 13% of those investigated for terrorism involvement aged under 18
  • A total of 43 late-stage plots involving firearms and explosives to commit "mass murder" in the UK had been foiled since 2017
  • The number of state-threat investigations by MI5 had increased by 48%
  • Counter-terrorism work remained split between "75% Islamist extremism, 25% extreme right-wing terrorism"
There was a "dizzying range of beliefs and ideologies" MI5 had to deal with, he told the briefing at MI5's counter-terrorism operations centre in London.

"The first 20 years of my career here were crammed full of terrorist threats.

"We now face those alongside state-backed assassination and sabotage plots, against the backdrop of a major European land war," he said.

The UK's "leading role" in supporting Ukraine means "we loom large in the fevered imagination of Putin's regime" and further acts of aggression on UK soil should be expected, he warned.

The UK's current terror threat level is substantial - meaning an attack is likely.


 
The spooks are busy....

Russia on mission to cause mayhem on UK streets, warns MI5​


Russia's intelligence agency has been on a mission to generate "sustained mayhem on British and European streets", the head of MI5 has said.

Giving his annual update on security threats faced by the UK, Ken McCallum said GRU agents had carried out "arson, sabotage and more dangerous actions conducted with increasing recklessness" in Britain after the UK backed Ukraine in its war with Russia.

MI5 had also responded to 20 plots backed by Iran since 2022, he said, although he added the majority of its work still mostly involved Islamist extremism followed by extreme right-wing terrorism.

The complex mix of terror-related threats and threats from nation states meant MI5 had "one hell of a job on its hands", he warned.

In a wide-ranging speech, he said:

  • Young people were increasingly being drawn into online extremism, with 13% of those investigated for terrorism involvement aged under 18
  • A total of 43 late-stage plots involving firearms and explosives to commit "mass murder" in the UK had been foiled since 2017
  • The number of state-threat investigations by MI5 had increased by 48%
  • Counter-terrorism work remained split between "75% Islamist extremism, 25% extreme right-wing terrorism"
There was a "dizzying range of beliefs and ideologies" MI5 had to deal with, he told the briefing at MI5's counter-terrorism operations centre in London.

"The first 20 years of my career here were crammed full of terrorist threats.

"We now face those alongside state-backed assassination and sabotage plots, against the backdrop of a major European land war," he said.

The UK's "leading role" in supporting Ukraine means "we loom large in the fevered imagination of Putin's regime" and further acts of aggression on UK soil should be expected, he warned.

The UK's current terror threat level is substantial - meaning an attack is likely.


Good thing the West isn't "at war"...
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The Establishment would rather deal with other Establishments.

The ultimate expression of the arrangement:

Thou shalt not assassinate a head of state.

Bad form, donchano?
 
The Establishment would rather deal with other Establishments.

The ultimate expression of the arrangement:

Thou shalt not assassinate a head of state.

Bad form, donchano?
Not sure I agree.

Western governments seem eager to go after the Al-Quaeda’s, the ISIL’s and other non-state terror actors.

But when states like Russia, Iran and China are waging war on us in the grey zone, we seem oblivious, incurious or just wilfully blind.
 
Not sure I agree.

Western governments seem eager to go after the Al-Quaeda’s, the ISIL’s and other non-state terror actors.

But when states like Russia, Iran and China are waging war on us in the grey zone, we seem oblivious, incurious or just wilfully blind.


Russia, Iran and China are States, with Heads and Establishments. They are out of bounds.

Al-Qaeda and ISIL, as you not are non-state actors. They have heads and probably have establishments as well but essentially they are criminal or outlaw organizations with no protections.
 
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