Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)
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Isn't training days to qualify one of the marks the Treasury Board uses to determine who gets spec pay? If they're going to cut the ACISS training time down, we're basically killing one surefire way to attract recruits/OTs into the trade(s).
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As far as I know the length of training has very little to do with Spec pay. Entry requirements, civilian equivalent pay scales, and retention seem to be some of the prerequisites for a trade to gain spec pay. As for the fine LCIS techs already drawing Spec, we will retain it until retirement.
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Don't worry about Spec Pay I'm sure they'll give it freely after taking a look at all the poor kids with swollen heads stumbling out of CFSCE on day 73 after having 4 trades jammed into their brains. I hope supply is ready for the sudden demand for size 8 + hats.
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Hey Swingline, I think the Sig Ops have a storeroom full of 8+ over at CFJSR. Alot of overinflated egos hag out there. >
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Tango18A said:Hey Swingline, I think the Sig Ops have a storeroom full of 8+ over at CFJSR. Alot of overinflated egos hag out there. >
Now you've done it! The eggheads have pinged your IP, narrowed down your location, and are focusing all their energies on disrupting your cell service and creating snow on your TV. How dare you speak ill of the Mothership and it's Minions! ;D
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Bring on the egg heads, I still use something confusing to them...a land line. ;D
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Land......line? I better hit google to figure out what that is exactly :rofl: From what I've been reading in the thread I suppose I can expect my head to explode before I'm done at CFSCE. Oh well, I love a challenge.Tango18A said:
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For those adverse to the taste of blueing, a packet of mustard will do nicely. >
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Neolithium said:
sigh...yet another nail in my coffin. But, I take heart in the fact that even wireless has wires (backbone).
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PMedMoe said:
Sincerely doubt they were POET, that sounds a lot like a typical day when I was on PAT in Kingston not long ago.
One question. I know Sig Op is still a red trade. When this mess of an amalgamation goes ahead, will the new super-trade be red? I know quite a few Sig Ops who really don't want to wait a year before they start their QL3's. Will they be able to OT out or will the sub-occupations have their own red/green status?
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Alpheus said:
My guess is there will not be much change in status over the next while with the the trades looking pretty much the same on 1 Jan 11. With Sig Ops supposedly going to be split 50/50 across ACISS and IST I imagine both core and sub-occupation will remain red. I also think CST will still be less than healthy and LST will be green as per normal. Once things settle and we are a few years in with new applicants being equally fed into the core and sub-occupations things may slowly level out and we will all only be sick vice dead. But with the Army Signals Attraction Team roaming the country and the potential of seeing many combat arms OT's after things settle down in the ATO, we may just weather the storm. The sub-occupations are also supposed to move slower (career wise) than the core group and I imagine this is to retain key skills for longer periods and hopefully flush out the rank and file. The amalgamation is supposed to make lateral movement between occupations easier but I wouldn't opt out just yet, things are just starting to get interesting.
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Alpheus said:This is screwed up. I've been loaded onto a POET course starting in July! WTF, over!?! :
Makes perfect sense since the new trade and sub-occupations don't exist yet.
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Swingline1984 said:
Yup. Not 'til 1 Jan
Alpheus said:This is screwed up. I've been loaded onto a POET course starting in July! WTF, over!?! :
I'd suggest you be go with it. You're getting paid to learn something either way.
Best Case scenario: You complete POET. By the time you complete POET, there's still an LCIS 3's being run, you get into that, and once the whole shuffle happens, congrats, you're a CST (Tech Sub-Occ)
Second Best Case scenario: You complete POET, but by that time , there is no longer an LCIS 3's package. So you start your ACISS training, but due to being POET Qualified, you get put right into the CST stream, maybe get a PLAR on wherever applicable, and congrats, you're a CST
Second Worst Case scenario: You complete POET, but by that time, there is no longer an LCIS 3's package. So you start your ACISS training, and go through all those portions, and due to being POET qualified, you will be highly considered for the CST Stream...Congrats, you MAY be a CST.
Worst Case scenario: You get pulled off POET part-way through, as there is no longer a LCIS 3's package. You start your ACISS training, and go into whatever stream they decide. Congrats, you're in the Army.
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Nor will there ever be PRes LCIS Trg ever again. The units never had their nominees return except to clear out as part of a CT, they were scooped up at the termination of the QL3.
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