Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

[Kirkhill]

They too many other tasks for that to ever work, but three on the West Coast would likely make it easier to sustain having a ship up there more frequently.

Sorry. But the fleet was commissioned by the government of the day for one task. Arctic Presence. Assign those ships to the job they were built for. 25% of the Arctic is Canadian?

Not my problem if the Navy needs more boats for tropical waters. There is a separate need for a southern fleet of OPVs or MCDVs or Corvettes.

 

[Furniture]

Sorry. But the fleet was commissioned by the government of the day for one task. Arctic Presence. Assign those ships to the job they were built for. 25% of the Arctic is Canadian?

Not my problem if the Navy needs more boats for tropical waters. There is a separate need for a southern fleet of OPVs or MCDVs or Corvettes.

A is only part of what they were designed for hence the OPV after the A.

It is your problem if the navy needs more ships, because you are a Canadian and the navy is funded based on how much voters want the navy to be funded. Don't blame the RCN because the people of Canada refuse to pay enough for defence spending.

 

[Kirkhill]

A is only part of what they were designed for hence the OPV after the A.

It is your problem if the navy needs more ships, because you are a Canadian and the navy is funded based on how much voters want the navy to be funded. Don't blame the RCN because the people of Canada refuse to pay enough for defence spending.

The original plan was for a vessel that would Patrol the Arctic Offshore and maybe the Labrador. Trips to the Bahamas were not in the original Statement of Requirement or ConOps.

WRT the other ships ...

I'll split the difference. Canadians don't want to pay for the ships the Navy wants to sail. The money that Canadians vote to support the RCN could buy more boats if they were smaller, with smaller crews and did less.

The Navy insists on using the available funds according to its sense of priorities. Not uniquely a Navy problem.

 

[Stoker]

Too bad we decided it was more important to have 4 AOPVS on the East Coast and only two on the West Coast...

The WC can only support one AOPS currently, even then we send personnel out to augment them. Entirely possible that Hampton Grey may have issues with crewing. The other reason its a considerable shorter distance from Halifax to the Arctic than from Esquimalt to the Arctic.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The other reason its a considerable shorter distance from Halifax to the Arctic than from Esquimalt to the Arctic.

At least to the Canadian Arctic, which is usually what Kirkhill seems to care about.

Also, there was never a plan to get 8 AOPS for the RCN. The last three, going to the Coast Guard, were added because Irving couldn't get its act together on ramping up to produce the CSC's and pressured the government to produce more AOPS as a "stop gap" measure to avoid having to lay off highly trained personnel. The Navy rightly said NO! I don't need any more of those things ... so the government forced the Coast Guard to get them.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The WC can only support one AOPS currently, even then we send personnel out to augment them. Entirely possible that Hampton Grey may have issues with crewing. The other reason its a considerable shorter distance from Halifax to the Arctic than from Esquimalt to the Arctic.

It's not that much of a sail to Dutch Harbour then Point Barrow and then you are in the Western Arctic.