AK 47, What is the true story?.

[Fishbone Jones]

Back it up there bub. Things have already been explained to you. Accept it or not, that's your choice. There are consequences to new members professing expert opinion, where none exists. Better leave it go. BTW, there are some here that were there, so your opinion has already been trumped.

 

[vonGarvin]

I'm not saying that they all threw them away, and you're right the M16 is a great gun I'm not saying its not... I'm saying that in Vietnam conditions, they were very hard to keep clean, and they jammed.  They are made of high strength plastic instead of iron and wood like the AK.  And there ARE reports of US soldiers laying their M16s down and picking up AKs in the feild.  That WAS researched, its documented.  And in terms of this thread, if I thought that any of us actually were IN Vietnam I would not have said anything but since none of us were am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

OK, back in the lane here, the jamming problems were found to be caused by poor user maintenance (eg: they weren't cleaning their rifles properly, or whatever).  That was rectified by the chain of command.  Period.  As for Vietnam vets being on "army dot ca", well, there are some.  I for one, am not, though my father in law served there (volunteer, not draftee) in 1966-1967, artillery signaller.  (that point is moot, though,)

 

[MedTechStudent]

Back it up there bub. Things have already been explained to you. Accept it or not, that's your choice. There are consequences to new members professing expert opinion, where none exists. Better leave it go. BTW, there are some here that were there, so your opinion has already been trumped.

.... i would love for one of the people who were there to tell me I'm wrong then....and my opinion is NOT expect, and I'm not trying to portray it as such.  I'm just posting what I have learned.

also ya that is why they jammed, also because the 5.56 ammo they gave to the troops was low quality power that stuck to is caused a build up of dirk in the weapon, they switched out the ammo and most of the problem stopped....now just becasue I wasn't THERE does not mean that i dont know it too be true, so why is that such a problem to everyone here?...are we not here to learn?

 

[1feral1]

Kyle, in the real world, any rifle is hard to keep clean, including the AK, especially in combat conditions. Dust and sand can be as damaging as moisture.

We also had AKs as back-ups when I was in Iraq. In WW2, Canadians also laid down their .303s, and used captured weapons too when in a pinch. Soldiers will use anything when there is a crisis with their issued rifles, and when their lives are at stake.

You have nil experience, so don't rely on urban myths and rumours which you think are gospel. Like I said stick to your lane, its for your own good, and your own credibility.

For the record, the only thing plastic on an M16 is the pistol grip, butt, and forestock. There is NO IRON on AKs, the reciever is made of light cheap STAMPED steel.

Quit while you are ahead.

I think I have said enough here.


Cheers,

Wes

 

[MedTechStudent]

ok fair enough i won't say anymore

cheers, Kyle

like I'm not trying to cause trouble, better I get told what I'm allowed to do now than later lol

 

[DirtyDog]

Also.....  try and work on your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. 

 

[MedTechStudent]

Ya I notised that as well.  You have to give me a little bit of a break though.  Laptops are hard to type on when you first get them.

 

[Roy Harding]

ok fair enough i won't say anymore

cheers, Kyle

like I'm not trying to cause trouble, better I get told what I'm allowed to do now than later lol

And yet, you post this:

Ya I notised that as well.  You have to give me a little bit of a break though.  Laptops are hard to type on when you first get them.

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[MedTechStudent]

Allright, thanks Roy

 

[Loachman]

I think that most of us appreciate where you're coming from, Kyle, and while some of the comments going your way may seem harsh others have got far worse. From what's being said, it seems that some people like you and are willing to be patient. There are limits to that, however.

You would be better off to absorb what's being said, and search through some of the older threads. If you want to know about something in particular, use the "search" function to see what's been said before. Chances are that there's already a ton of stuff on that subject already and looking at those threads can save you and us a lot of extra work. Few of us appreciate typing out a long answer over and over again everytime somebody new joins and expects to be spoon-fed everything. If you genuinely cannot find an answer to a question, say so and ask it. People are extremely willing to help out somebody that's done his/her homework.

This forum is remarkably like the Armed Forces. The same attitudes and expectations exist here and there - which should come as no surprise.

When you are on a course - any course - you are expected to show up on time, properly kitted out, and prepared for any particular activity. You will rapidly discover that inattention, disorganization, and laziness will be dealt with quite unmercifully.

As for the opinion part, can you imagine the reactions of your instructors if you voice an opinion about something that they've been doing for years or decades? You would simply have no credibility and would be laughed at. If, however, you said something along the lines of "I heard/read such-and-such, is that correct?" rather than stating something as a fact when you've never experienced it, you will be perceived to have an inquiring mind and an interest in your chosen field.

As time progresses and you gain experience, you too will be able to contribute solid information and advice to  even newer people - and you will also begin to see things from our point of view.

Regardless, stick with the Armed Forces and Army.ca. Both can be absolutely brilliant, and you can derive great personal benefit while making a worthy contribution, but it all depends upon you.

 

[MedTechStudent]

Thanks for the advice.  It IS appreciated

Kyle