Is China REALLY So Bad? (split from '25 Federal Election thread)

[Lumber]

When our esteemed former PM said "I have a basic admiration for China" that should have alerted the masses to where HIS loyalties lay.

I mean, do you blame him? China has a massive growing economy, has accomplished some of greatest feats of engineering and infrastructure growth, has a booming standard of living, has incorporates new and amazing technology into all walks of life, etc. etc. I'm surprised more people aren't in admiration of China!

Also, how the heck does being in admiration of China say anything about someone's loyalties? I'm in admiration of Japan on their culture of work ethic and politeness. Does that mean my loyalties lie with Japan and not Canada?

 

[OldSolduer]

FWI

I mean, do you blame him? China has a massive growing economy, has accomplished some of greatest feats of engineering and infrastructure growth, has a booming standard of living, has incorporates new and amazing technology into all walks of life, etc. etc. I'm surprised more people aren't in admiration of China!

Also, how the heck does being in admiration of China say anything about someone's loyalties? I'm in admiration of Japan on their culture of work ethic and politeness. Does that mean my loyalties lie with Japan and not Canada?

I don’t admire communist dictatorships. Nor Nazi dictatorships
Or any dictatorships.

China is still a Communist dictatorship .

It’s not always about dollars and cents.

 

[dapaterson]

FWI
I don’t admire communist dictatorships. Nor Nazi dictatorships
Or any dictatorships.

China is still a Communist dictatorship .

It’s not always about dollars and cents.

The number of CAF and retired CAF members who oppose dictatorships and routinely visit Cuba is "interesting".

 

[OldSolduer]

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The number of CAF and retired CAF members who oppose dictatorships and routinely visit Cuba is "interesting".

I agree. I won’t visit Cuba for that very reason

 

[Lumber]

FWI
I don’t admire communist dictatorships. Nor Nazi dictatorships
Or any dictatorships.

China is still a Communist dictatorship .

It’s not always about dollars and cents.

I mean, if Democracy is how we got Trudeau, perhaps we need to take an inward look and reassess our perspectives?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I mean, if Democracy is how we got Trudeau, perhaps we need to take an inward look and reassess our perspectives?

What are you suggesting?

 

[OldSolduer]

I mean, if Democracy is how we got Trudeau, perhaps we need to take an inward look and reassess our perspectives?

Nice deflection.

At least we have a choice at the ballot box. About 2 billion Chinese citizens don’t.

 

[Lumber]

What are you suggesting?

I'm suggesting that, if it is the free and universal agency of individuals that has allowed the woke mind virus to take route in our society and caused the destruction of Canada as we know it, perhaps we need to look into a system where those with such dangerous and self-defeating perspectives and motivations aren't included in the decision making process. If you already know what's best for the country, why stimy progress by entertaining countering views?

 

[Lumber]

Nice deflection.

At least we have a choice at the ballot box. About 2 billion Chinese citizens don’t.

Choice is an allusion; elections are about placating the proles. The difference between our system and their's is that they aren't lying about what you're getting or about who is actually pulling the strings.

 

[OldSolduer]

Choice is an allusion; elections are about placating the proles. The difference between our system and their's is that they aren't lying about what you're getting or about who is actually pulling the strings.

I’d rather have the illusion than the alternative: being incarcerated for your views or being run over by a tank in a public square.

The China you like is an illusion. They incarcerate and brutally oppress anyone who disagrees with the regime - like the olde USSR.

The Uighers can bear witness to the big loveable panda they are ruled by.

You might want to think about that.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I mean, do you blame him? China has a massive growing economy, has accomplished some of greatest feats of engineering and infrastructure growth, has a booming standard of living, has incorporates new and amazing technology into all walks of life, etc. etc. I'm surprised more people aren't in admiration of China!

For those who aren't born into slavery........bet you think the deep south cotton barons were awesome also.

 

[Lumber]

I’d rather have the illusion than the alternative: being incarcerated for your views or being run over by a tank in a public square.

The China you like is an illusion. They incarcerate and brutally oppress anyone who disagrees with the regime - like the olde USSR.

The Uighers can bear witness to the big loveable panda they are ruled by.

You might want to think about that.

Now now now, no one is being run over by tanks anymore. The state has given the people national pride and an amazing standard of living, and people are politing living their lives in quiet appreciation.

 

[Lumber]

For those who aren't born into slavery........bet you think the deep south cotton barons were awesome also.

I prefer linen, personally.

 

[OldSolduer]

Now now now, no one is being run over by tanks anymore. The state has given the people national pride and an amazing standard of living, and people are politing living their lives in quiet appreciation.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or patronizing.

I know an evil dictatorship when I see one. The CCP is one of those.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm suggesting that, if it is the free and universal agency of individuals that has allowed the woke mind virus to take route in our society and caused the destruction of Canada as we know it, perhaps we need to look into a system where those with such dangerous and self-defeating perspectives and motivations aren't included in the decision making process. If you already know what's best for the country, why stimy progress by entertaining countering views?

And what kind of system is that? How would you accomplish that and what would it look like?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm suggesting that, if it is the free and universal agency of individuals that has allowed the woke mind virus to take route in our society and caused the destruction of Canada as we know it, perhaps we need to look into a system where those with such dangerous and self-defeating perspectives and motivations aren't included in the decision making process. If you already know what's best for the country, why stimy progress by entertaining countering views?

Here's what Heinlein had to say.

“It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.”

 

[Halifax Tar]

The number of CAF and retired CAF members who oppose dictatorships and routinely visit Cuba is "interesting".

For the record I vacation just outside Shubinacadie.

Shubenacadie, Nova Scotia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[OldSolduer]

Seriously now:

Here's what Heinlein had to say.

“It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.”

We as a species haven’t progressed. We are stupid and fail to learn from history

 

[MARS]

And what kind of system is that? How would you accomplish that and what would it look like?

l guess it would look like the CAF in a lot of way? An organization that everyone who ever served in willingly and freely joined, that some have devoted their entire adult lives serving, and that some still think is a good thing, at least some of the time?

 

[The Bread Guy]

I'm suggesting that, if it is the free and universal agency of individuals that has allowed the woke mind virus to take route in our society and caused the destruction of Canada as we know it, perhaps we need to look into a system where those with such dangerous and self-defeating perspectives and motivations aren't included in the decision making process. If you already know what's best for the country, why stimy progress by entertaining countering views?

Soviet Union 1.0 (and beyond?) psychiatric gulag enters the chat ...

Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

49 Russians Targeted in Soviet-Style Punitive Psychiatry – Memorial - The Moscow Times

At least 49 Russian citizens are currently being held in mental hospitals as a form of punishment against opposition and other activists, the human rights group Memorial said Thursday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Punitive medicine

Punitive medicine, repressions against the writers, Russian crimes, Soviet crimes, history of Ukraine, Ukrainian literature, repressed writers

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