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If you‘re joining the military in general, then money probably isn‘t your primary concern anyway. Also, as a corporal, I‘m making more money than a 2Lt  :)
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As a private, I‘m making less money than all of you! ha!

Oh well, I get a raise next summer, hopefully right before my QL4...

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Well, privates and corporals do get a significant raise in their pay levels each year.  ;)

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Here are some definitive numbers to chew on:

Primary Reserve
Regular Force

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At the DND website, it gives the current payscale. For 2Lt and Lt, you follow your years in along, but there‘s also another column with "C" "D" "E" and "F". At Capt., it‘s just years in. What do those letters stand for? The number of courses you‘ve taken?
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The A, B, C and D stand for the number of years of education that you have going in. The numbers on the top is number of years of work experience.

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Gotcha. So is it that an old-school officer without a university degree would be a C, and one with a four-year degree would be an F? Or is the F for a med school grad?
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I see that D-net has updated its pay scale charts -- which makes them a bit easier to read than before.

However, looking at the charts, it appears as though the letters on the left-hand side are related to the type of entry plan (at least in so far as officers are concerned) -- such as DEO, a commission from the ranks, other former service, ROTP, etc. The chart is here:  http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/dppd/pay/engraph/OfficerRegFPayRate_e.asp

However, on another page, the pay categories are divided into c, d, e, & f -- I have no idea what these categories are. This is the chart for a GSO 2Lt.   http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/dppd/pay/engraph/204.2114_e.asp?period=C&key=ALL

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So for me for example, I  have and Electrical Eng degree, 4 yr program with 5 years of private sector experience...so that would put me at F3 presumably as 2ndLt...if they translate 1 for 1.

Also, I think a board looks at all of this and determines where you fit. So there is some room for interpretation in there.

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To be honest, I have no idea how it works.

I sent off an email to the D-net site looking for more info it -- specifically asking if the level of education has an impact on pay.

I‘m in the same boat as you, I‘m finishing my PhD, and also have a few years professional experience, and am wondering whether a grad degree will get me more or the same $ as someone with a BA who is doing DEO. I‘ll let you know what happens.

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Please do let me know. I‘m expecting around 50K when I start the "real" work, i.e. I‘m done my official training and such. I‘ve been told that this is realistic if not conservative.

I‘ve also been told that it will climb quite quickly given my degree and experience...so you shouldn‘t be much different.

I for one am willing to take this given the current high-tech environment right now.

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I talked to a recruiter the other day on higher pay, etc, for those with certain degrees or advanced degrees. Basically, he said that everyone receives the same pay, regardless if you have a BSc, BAH, MA, MBA, or PhD.

Not sure why.

He also said that the real difference is that those with a higher degree will advance more quickly up the officer chain.

The other difference is that new recruits with a BSc or Eng degree are receiving signing bonuses up to $40,000, whereas those, like me, with a degree in Behavioural Psyc, etc., (i.e. the humanities or social sciences) don‘t get a thing.

A pitty, I think, because the time and effort one has to put-in to get a degree is equal, but the business world or the bean-counters (who knows??) just don‘t see it that way. My complaint is that those in behavioural science, military history studies, communications, or political studies are just as *specialised* as others. The recruiter‘s defence is that they can‘t *or don‘t want to* retrain people to be engineers -- that they are **specialists**.

In response, I say that you can‘t get a P.Eng to do human intel or psy-ops without re-training him or her in the field, that those with a background in psyc have an immediate advantage.

Oh well, I‘m sure my complaints will fall on deaf ears.

All that said, I don‘t think that you should expect higher pay for having a certain degree or previous business experience. You will, however, get the signing bonus and will advance more quickly. It should also be pointed out that the recruiter may be wrong. I suggest that you call the recruiting centre to get some hard facts.

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interesting...

I guess everybody starts out the same but everyone moves up at different rates depending on the needs of the forces at the time.

Well...I understand your complaint and it is valid. I guess it comes down to demand. They are currently dying for engineers from what I hear...I guess its just what they need right now. Hence the bonus and the career acceleration of those in my field.

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Just to clarify your point there.... The signing bonus‘ are going to Engineers who join up to be Engineers.  Some shmoe with a BEng that wants to be a pilot is not going to get a signing bonus.
If you have a Masters in anything, you will end up getting more per month than someone with just a Bachelors.  Those recruiting REMFS are not the know-all when it comes to pay,  Next time, go up to one of the Corporals or Master Corporals that are clerks at the CFRC, they can give you the correct response.
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It doesn‘t really matter if you ask them, because its not them who makes the decision anyway.

In the end, you could be making more or less than what you expected because of the "behind the scenes" process that determines your pay.

The payscale is probably just a guidline like any other company...and some liberties are probably taken given individual skill-sets.

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I actually discussed the situation with a Sgt, and he basically said that there wasn‘t increased pay for level of education (i.e. a person with an MA or PhD would receive the same as a BA).

To be honest, I think he‘s wrong; which is not new since he‘s given me some very OFF information on a number of things over the past few months.

But, I don‘t know for sure as I am a newby at this whole thing. I‘ll ask the Lt or Capt the next time I‘m in the CFRC and will get the low-down on the whole thing.

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how do the pay differences work between different officer trades? (operations, supporting, engineers, etc.) Because I assume an engineer would make more than say an infantry officer, right?

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The amount of money you make is dependant on rank, not trade.

A Captain will make the same amount whether he‘s a doctor, lawyer, engineer or infantry officer. The only extra money is in the recruiting bonuses. The trades that they‘re really seeking out right now will offer you a signing bonus. (10,000-200,000$)

Note, this bonus only works if you‘re already qualified. If you go to RMC or ROTP, you don‘t qualify for the signing bonus.
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Actually, I believe doctors are under a different pay system.
They go by a contract instead.
Thus a Medical Officer Captain would make around 100k a year compared to an Infantry Officer Captain who would make about 60k a year.


I have also heard that certain trades get ‘spec‘ pay (I don‘t know the designation) in order to retain soldiers.

I heard they were going to put MPs under spec pay as well to prevent them from quitting and pursuing more lucrative civy jobs.


Pilots are under an entirely different pay scale altogether to discourage them from leaving for civilian jobs.

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I have seen the latest pay rate tables on the DND web site and I know that infantry (maybe other trades too) get 20 paid days off a year and 25 after 5 years.  However I am wodering since the pay rate tables are broken into monthly pay what can I expect per year in infantry (reg force)?  Can I just multiply the number by 12 or is there "downtime" where infantry is not working and not paid for a month or more?

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just multiply by 12.  And you can actually make more than that by going on tours, getting field pay, etc. etc.

typhoon85

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U have to remember that money comes off for things like income tax, pension (canada and military right?), room and board. And whatever else im missing.

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As a reg in the infantry your looking at approx $23,000 a year.  Not much.  But consider that for your first year your spending almost all of your time in training, and at the facilities so the cost of living is dramatically reduced.  If your smart with your money, you‘ll find that you‘ll have quite a bit left after the first year.

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According to recent pay schedule...it‘s actually around 27000k per year