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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #300 on: January 04, 2009, 10:28:30 »
I have my opinion and its that JTF2 shoud be only entitled to SOA.

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No need to apologize, your opinion conforms perfectly to CBI 205.401 -- JTF 2 SOA-qualified assaulters are the only personnel entitled to SOA special allowance.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #301 on: January 04, 2009, 10:42:11 »
 
No need to apologize, your opinion conforms perfectly to CBI 205.401 -- JTF 2 SOA-qualified assaulters are the only personnel entitled to SOA special allowance.


And CSOR Operators will qualify for their own allowance as deemed appropritae by the TB using the criteria and levels of the SOA but not being SOA.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #302 on: January 04, 2009, 10:59:01 »


And CSOR Operators will qualify for their own allowance as deemed appropritae by the TB using the the criteria and levels of the SOA but not being SOA.

Absolutely, BM.  Then we're all in agreement.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #303 on: January 04, 2009, 11:10:45 »
Absolutely G2G...

For myself though I would like to see a consise argument supporting HFX reasoning as to why Operators do not deserve an allowance. As it stands right now to my knowledge an operator could work less hours be away from their family significantly less and make the same pay being in a normal hard para posn in a regular Bn ( As per HFX's reasoning of FOA, Para pay).
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #304 on: January 04, 2009, 12:30:55 »
The validity of the current jump allowance needs to be revisited; given the few jumps that are made, are the people maintaining those skills?

The risk in requesting new allowances or funds is that someone will revisit the old ones - and discover that the rationale no longer exists.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #305 on: January 04, 2009, 12:38:06 »
The validity of the current jump allowance needs to be revisited; given the few jumps that are made, are the people maintaining those skills?

The risk in requesting new allowances or funds is that someone will revisit the old ones - and discover that the rationale no longer exists.


A case of "beware what you wish for " ?

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #306 on: January 04, 2009, 12:39:27 »
Deepends on what unit DA

Regular Jump Coy's probably aren't jumping that much but they do refresh enough that they could jump easily. Our SOF units soon wont be in recipe of Jump pay as their allowance will forfit the Para pay.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #307 on: January 04, 2009, 12:44:01 »
Bit out of my lane but I think QOR does a few jumps a year as they maintain the only Reserve Para Coy. So do they get para only when jumping or all the time?
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #308 on: January 04, 2009, 12:48:15 »
You are right NFLD they do, last I worked with members of the QOR they were Jumping failry regularly and do many support task to CFLAWC
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #309 on: January 04, 2009, 12:52:33 »
Rumor mill has it that they do more jumps than the Reg Force.........

So back to my question are they in receipt of the Para allowance all the time or just during the time they are jumping.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #310 on: January 04, 2009, 12:55:10 »
No they receive Cas Para pay unless they are on a class B contract
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #311 on: January 04, 2009, 12:59:02 »
OK, thx.

Now back to your regularly scheduled topic.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #312 on: January 04, 2009, 13:12:15 »
By regulation, QoR (or any Reservist doing casual para) should receive the cas para allowance when jumping whether on A, B or C service.

This does go to the fundamental question: What do we want who do, and where, when and how often do we want them to do it?  Those questions should inform what we pay them - what's base pay, and what's incremental in the form of allowances.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #313 on: January 04, 2009, 14:27:32 »
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Whats next for SOA for HUMINT, CP Op etc?

I sure hope so! I am CP Operator after all.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #314 on: January 04, 2009, 21:08:11 »
HFX have you a proper argument that has not been invalidated by the CBI's (IE: FOA and para pay) as to why CSOR Operators should not be in receipt of an Allowance?
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #315 on: January 04, 2009, 21:21:25 »
We have one elite unit the JTF.

The Airborne did not get an additional allowance.  My Dad didn't get extra pay when the truck came through the PMQ's broadcasting "SNOWBALL x3" in Germany. He was into work within the hour and no beeper.

If my ship gets recalled to do a drug bust or SAR we are gone within 3-6 hours.

I think of CSOR as a another unit with a mandate.

For the record by next year all these specialized units and people in specialized secondary roles will be asking CBI for additional allowances.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #316 on: January 04, 2009, 21:37:49 »
Keep in mind these guys went through the rigors of selection, completed SOBQ and are qualified Special Operators. This is a SOF unit.

There is a reason the pass rate on selection is low.. Not everyone is capable of the requirements of the job.

Sure they may not be the elite counter terrorism unit such as JTF2 or 1 SFOD-D, DEVGRU.. If you want to use American Terms these guys are Tier 1

So they would fall in just below them then.. On a Tier 2 level such as Navy Seals, Green Beret's , CSOR. They have their own roll.

There is alot of money invested in training these Operators.. They deserve their own allowance.. Not SOA allowance but something tailored directly to them.


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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #317 on: January 04, 2009, 21:39:20 »
HFX so you are going to be advocating the big fight to get rid of sea pay then?

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #318 on: January 29, 2009, 08:40:59 »
I was granted my QL5 on the Aurora fleet after completing my type training about 10 months after landing in Greenwood. Of course AVS and other Fleets may vary.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #319 on: March 01, 2009, 12:36:03 »
In case some of you were wondering, VOT offers are now being sent out. I received mine DTG 261844ZFEB09.

I am transferring from NCIOP to INT and cannot seem to find the reference regarding spec pay. From what I understand, I will loose my leaf effective my transfer date but keep my current pay. Does this also include spec pay? My gut tells me I will loose it but cannot seem to find it in black and white.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #320 on: March 01, 2009, 12:57:33 »
I wouldn't be surprised to see your pay reduced to Cpl4, standard pay field. The rationale being that you're technically no longer in your old trade, and not qualified in your new trade ergo there's no ability to pay you spec.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #321 on: March 01, 2009, 13:04:25 »
I am transferring from NCIOP to INT and cannot seem to find the reference regarding spec pay. From what I understand, I will loose my leaf effective my transfer date but keep my current pay. Does this also include spec pay? My gut tells me I will loose it but cannot seem to find it in black and white.

You're looking for something which doesn't exist.  You'll revert to whatever IPC you have, in the Cpl Basic pay field if that's where Int Ops are located.  There are written provisions which would allow you to keep specialist pay rates in certain circumstances - promotion to OCdt comes to mind.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #322 on: March 01, 2009, 13:24:12 »
You have no vested rights when you do a Voluntary OT. You will drop back to Cpl4, If the new trade has spec pay you will not see it until your QL 5 Qual. I went from Sgt 4 to Cpl 4 on my date of transfer.
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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #323 on: March 01, 2009, 16:11:50 »
Further to my comments, the following is taken from the link below:

"PERSONNEL ONLY RECEIVE SPECIALIST PAY WHEN THEY ARE FULLY QUALIFIED IAW THEIR OCCUPATION SPECIFICATION (OS) AND HAVE ACHIEVED THE REQUIRED RANK IAW OCCUPATION REQUIREMENTS"

"NCMS IN THE RANK OF LS/CPL PRIOR TO ACHIEVING TRADE QUALIFICATION (OR MS/MCPL, PO2/SGT OR PO1/WO) AS REQUIRED FOR THE SPECIFIC OCCUPATION) INCLUDING:

A. MBRS PROMOTED ACTING LACKING
B. MBRS PROMOTED SUBSTANTIVE, AND
C. MBRS WHO ARE VOLUNTARILY OCCUPATIONAL TRANSFERRED

WILL REMAIN IN THE JUNIOR SUB-DIVISION AT STANDARD TRADE GROUP RATES OF PAY"

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #324 on: March 11, 2009, 20:06:07 »
I know this is a narcothread, but it is relevant.

Today I read an email from the Branch chief.

Rumours of medics getting spec 1 pay soon are somewhat exaggerated. Currently the proposal for that is sitting unsigned in the Director of Pay part of the Treasury Board (exact name of the 4 letter acronym escapes me).

Needless to say, my interpretation is that while it is looking good to come soon, soon is not for a while yet. Sources cleared to rumor in other parts of the CF have discussed with me that a whole whack of pay and benefits are being held up thanks to the proroguing of parliament and now with the current economic crisis and federal budget.


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