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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #600 on: March 13, 2019, 10:37:09 »
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Chantal Hébert - March 11, 2019

And then it is one thing for Trudeau to get his ministerial ducks back in a row and another more difficult task to adjust to running a government without Gerald Butts in the Prime Minister’s Office.

No government can lose a player in a role as central as that of the former principal secretary without entering into a zone of relative turbulence, especially in an election year and especially with Trudeau himself caught in the crosswinds.

I really wonder if Butts is really gone. As Trudeau's best bud, he will still be in a position to manipulate the puppet strings. He just will just not be available 24/7 or all day during business hours. Surely the two will still meet regularly.

The LPC may have even hired him as a "consultant" so he will still have a pay cheque.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #601 on: March 13, 2019, 11:33:57 »
I wonder if he's in Florida with trudeau? I doubt Butts is gone. I speculated earlier that this would just give him free reign and no accountability to the system. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hanging around and running things as a volunteer. I don't doubt there are many aspects of this government that are contingent on future favours and payments of some sort, including butts.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #602 on: March 13, 2019, 12:05:11 »
I really wonder if Butts is really gone.

I doubt he's gone. Just more free to move around now with less oversight. Like one of Wernick's shadowy assassins  :o
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #603 on: March 13, 2019, 18:17:27 »
Annnnd, it looks like we're done with this.  Nothing to see here, Canada.  Watch for our Budget Day goodies next week!
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #604 on: March 13, 2019, 18:32:25 »
What pieces of garbage.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #605 on: March 13, 2019, 18:37:31 »
Annnnd, it looks like we're done with this.  Nothing to see here, Canada.  Watch for our Budget Day goodies next week!

I wish I could say I'm surprised.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #606 on: March 13, 2019, 18:54:48 »
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #607 on: March 13, 2019, 20:35:59 »
That should tempt a lot of journalists to pile on...

There is only one reason to prevent somebody from speaking: It can only be worse for them than being accused of a cover-up.

Meanwhile, digging continues.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/trudeau-government-signed-a-secret-deal-with-snc-only-days-after-2015-election/

Trudeau government signed a secret deal with SNC only days after 2015 election

by Ali Taghva Mar 12

According to the National Observer, the Trudeau government announced a confidential deal with SNC, just "four days after Trudeau’s first throne speech in 2015."

The National Observer article goes into far more depth, and I suggest you give their article a read, and maybe even subscribe to continue helping their public service journalism.

The deal between SNC and the federal government was the first under the new "integrity regime." No other company has reached such a deal since.

The former Harper government created Canada's "integrity regime," in 2015 "to ensure the government does business solely with ethical partners."

The integrity regime allows businesses to continue operating while working to meet ethical demands. In the case of SNC-Lavalin, that involves working to fix the company's history of bribery, specifically $48 million paid to secure contracts in Libya.

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https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/03/13/snc-lavalin-affair-ripe-for-opposition-to-capitalize-on-but-scheer-singh-poll-numbers-still-flat/192218

SNC-Lavalin affair ripe for opposition to capitalize on, say politicos, but Scheer, Singh poll numbers still flat

By Jolson Lim & Neil Moss  Mar. 13, 2019

While Justin Trudeau's poll numbers have sunk amid the controversy, Andrew Scheer and Jagmeet Singh have not seen a boost to their own polling numbers as opposition leaders. But it's still early days, say strategists.

The SNC-Lavalin affair has hurt Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's approval numbers, but political commentators say it remains to be seen whether Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh can use the controversy to bump past the Liberal leader in the polls ahead of October's election.

Recent polling shows that Mr. Trudeau (Papineau, Que.) and his government's popularity have taken a dive since the SNC-Lavalin affair began on Feb. 7, when the Globe and Mail reported allegations that the prime minister's office pressed former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould (Vancouver Granville, B.C.) to drop criminal charges against the company.

Amid the ongoing controversy, Mr. Scheer's and Mr. Singh's popularity have remained relatively stagnant, as suggested by Abacus Data's numbers based on more than 8,800 interviews conducted between Jan. 30 and March 4, and other polls.

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While polling indicates Mr. Trudeau’s numbers have taken a hit, Tim Powers, managing director of Abacus Data and a former Conservative adviser, cautioned that it takes time before all the impacts of a major controversy can be fully reflected in polling.

"At first people focus on the story at hand and then they begin to assess how people are performing. And often the assessment starts with the central character," said Mr. Powers, who is also vice-chairman of Summa Strategies. "In this case it's the prime minister."

Karl Bélanger, a former interim NDP national director, said the declining support for Mr. Trudeau is the key indicator right now because of how the Liberals have over relied on his leadership brand.

"The flip side of that is both the Conservatives and NDP are basically doing better than their own leaders," said Mr. Bélanger. "It shows that the voters aren't motivated by the personalities of their respective leaders, but more about the need for change."

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"The challenge for the opposition is to find new information and to keep the story alive, and to not get bored with it," Mr. Bélanger said. "And to keep the newsrooms interested in it as well."

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #608 on: March 14, 2019, 13:26:00 »

Interesting opinion piece by Neil MacDonald.

Puts a perspective on things.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opposition-scheer-1.5055428
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #609 on: March 14, 2019, 13:35:35 »
Remius, I would say that Neil M. Hit piece is not alternative perspective. It is a diversionary backslap to the Conservatives. Merely meant to earn some of the media funding previously provided.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #610 on: March 14, 2019, 13:40:51 »
It reminds me of a time when certain journalists were happy to play caricature opposition to Stephen Harper.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #611 on: March 14, 2019, 13:50:17 »
Remius, I would say that Neil M. Hit piece is not alternative perspective. It is a diversionary backslap to the Conservatives. Merely meant to earn some of the media funding previously provided.

It is an opinion piece.  It also brings up valid points. 

Rather than use that line of bought media that seems to be making the rounds, I am willing to hear any refutation of those points.  The PM is a hypocrite, but so are those going after him.  One day JWR is a villain they wanted removed but now she's a hero.  Right.  Charlie Angus is NDP by the way. And he also points the finger at the liberals as well.  Did you actually go to the letHerspeak website?  I did and I rolled my eyes. 

I made this point about how many people including those on this site criticized Trudeau for putting someone like JWR and Jane Philpot in cabinet.  Now they want her to be PM.

Andrew Scheer would rule his cabinet the same way Trudeau has and the same way Harper did.  With a tight grip. 

Neil MacDonald'd piece is about the reality of opposition and how like question period is a show.  He lists enough examples to prove his point. 
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #612 on: March 14, 2019, 13:57:59 »
What a great country this would be if our representatives actually voted their conscience and the will of their constituents, instead of mindlessly towing the party line. "Because I said so" may work for the parents of toddlers, but not as a basis of government.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #613 on: March 14, 2019, 14:08:48 »
What a great country this would be if our representatives actually voted their conscience and the will of their constituents, instead of mindlessly towing the party line. "Because I said so" may work for the parents of toddlers, but not as a basis of government.

Sucks yes but then we wouldn't get much done.  I would however like to see more MPs step down to become independents if it is the will of their constituents.  If their constituents truly want it they will support them.

Take Amanda Simard who quit caucus at the provincial level over Doug Ford's decisions regarding Franco Ontarians.  She followed her conscious.  Did not cross the floor to another party that would be counter to her core political beliefs and I would put money down that her constituents will re-elect her (she likely actually gained support from people that would have voted against her).  Those cases are few and far between though.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #614 on: March 14, 2019, 15:05:17 »
What a great country this would be if our representatives actually voted their conscience and the will of their constituents, instead of mindlessly towing the party line. "Because I said so" may work for the parents of toddlers, but not as a basis of government.
Double-edged sword, that.  Some/many wouldn't be happy if their rep voted their conscience when it may not be the will of the constituents.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #615 on: March 14, 2019, 15:21:56 »
Double-edged sword, that.  Some/many wouldn't be happy if their rep voted their conscience when it may not be the will of the constituents.

So the current "screw all of you, the boss wants this, so this is how it is" is preferable? Athens, Magna Carta, 1776 etc were just thought experiments, I guess.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #616 on: March 14, 2019, 15:26:13 »
So the current "screw all of you, the boss wants this, so this is how it is" is preferable? Athens, Magna Carta, 1776 etc were just thought experiments, I guess.

I would argue that people in those systems were also strong armed to tow the line as well on many occasions.  Some were also dealt with quite harshly for not doing so...

MPs can make there choices but they have to live with the consequences.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #617 on: March 14, 2019, 16:16:32 »
For all of you interested in alternative parliamentary universes may I suggest looking across the pond today to Westminster.

The PM can't control the House, her Parliamentary Party, her extra-parliamentary party, her cabinet, her attorney-general or her civil service.

But that's OK because none of the opposition party leaders are doing any better.

Chaos reigns.

Personally I am happy to see it.  Democracy in action.  (no sarcasm intended - I am truly pleased to see the UK demonstrating how to have a heated debate).
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #618 on: March 14, 2019, 16:37:58 »
So the current "screw all of you, the boss wants this, so this is how it is" is preferable?
Not at all.  Just saying that some ideas sound good in theory, but may lead to other issues (or different dissatisfaction) if put into practice.

Always worth discussing possibilities, because as someone smarter than me once said ...
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #619 on: March 14, 2019, 18:11:00 »
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/how-jody-wilson-raybould-could-speak-her-truth-even-if-liberals-block-return-to-justice-committee?video_autoplay=true

How Jody Wilson-Raybould could speak her truth, even if Liberals block return to justice committee

Here are the principal ways she could still tell her side of the story

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A key issue for Wilson-Raybould is what she’s allowed to discuss publicly. She’s made it clear she does not want to discuss matters covered by cabinet confidence, the long-standing principle that discussions between cabinet ministers are secret, unless she gets an explicit waiver from the prime minister. She has also said she needs a waiver to discuss any legal advice she gave to Trudeau or cabinet.

Yet if Wilson-Raybould speaks in Parliament, she is covered by the sweeping power of parliamentary privilege — the constitutional right of Members of Parliament to freely discuss matters of public interest while performing their duties, and to be protected from civil or criminal liability in doing so. Most experts believe that parliamentary privilege trumps all other forms of privilege, including cabinet confidence and solicitor-client privilege.

"The whole point of parliamentary privilege is so you can say anything in Parliament that's vital to the national interest, and you shouldn’t have to be worried about the courts or the executive sanctioning you in some way," said Carleton University professor Philippe Lagassé, who specializes in the Westminster parliamentary system.

Wilson-Raybould could address the House of Commons in a variety of ways. In February, she used a point of order after a vote to tell the Commons what she needed in order to speak. "I understand fully that Canadians want to know the truth and want transparency," she said at the time. "Privilege and confidentiality are not mine to waive, and I hope that I have the opportunity to speak my truth."

She could find another way to make a point of order that allows her to discuss these issues, though points of order are supposed to be constrained to the topic of whether the procedures of the Commons are being properly followed.

An easier route for Wilson-Raybould could be to make a Member's Statement. Such statements are given before Question Period and can be on "virtually any matter of local, provincial, national or international concern," according to House of Commons guidelines. The main constraint is they are supposed to be capped at one minute. Speaker Geoff Regan would have the discretion to allow for a longer statement, however.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #620 on: March 14, 2019, 19:44:01 »
Double-edged sword, that.  Some/many wouldn't be happy if their rep voted their conscience when it may not be the will of the constituents.


Pretty much the last word was said on that almost 250 years ago, by Edmund Burke. I don't think anyone has added anything which has aded any real value to the issue since then.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #621 on: March 14, 2019, 20:07:29 »
Double-edged sword, that.  Some/many wouldn't be happy if their rep voted their conscience when it may not be the will of the constituents.

At the very least then, and I will defer to the eminent Messrs. Campbell and Burke, Those representatives should have to stand up and explain themselves after the fact. Far too many mindless drones in harness, and as we all know, if you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #622 on: March 14, 2019, 20:09:56 »

Pretty much the last word was said on that almost 250 years ago, by Edmund Burke. I don't think anyone has added anything which has aded any real value to the issue since then.

Right up until the point where the representative asks the constituents what they want to do and then stands for election on the promise of implementing their wishes.  Rather poor judgement to renege on the promise.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #623 on: March 14, 2019, 22:05:44 »
https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/03/11/political-grandmaster-frank-iacobucci-is-at-the-center-of-snc-lavalin-kinder-morgan-scandals/

'Political grandmaster' Frank Iacobucci is at the center of SNC Lavalin, Kinder Morgan scandals

March 11, 2019

Frank Iacobucci is one of the most influential lawyer-lobbyists in all of Canada.  He has been at the crux of the nation's political, legal, and business communities well before he retired his post as a Supreme Court Justice in 2004. Today he is a partner at Torys, Bay Street's whitest-shoe law firm, and is the most statured attorney in the firm's indigenous law practice.

Suddenly, this week, nearly everyone in Ottawa wants him to testify before the House of Commons' justice committee regarding his involvement in the SNC Lavalin scandal, following widespread rumors that it was Iacobucci who first insisted that Jody Wilson Raybould be removed as Attorney General.

Iacobucci led SNC-Lavalin's efforts to secure a 'Deferred Prosecution Agreement' last summer and into the fall.  He was instrumental in persuading Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to insert the new legal provision as a policy rider into last year's budget bill, acting as SNC Lavalin's in-house attorney.

Last August, Iacobucci 'demanded' a Deferred Prosecution Agreement for SNC Lavalin, even dictating to Finance Minister Bill Morneau the terms that his client 'would accept' from the Trudeau government.  Sources close to Morneau say that's a familiar posture for Iacobucci, who months earlier helped colleagues at Torys 'bully' Morneau into acquiring Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline in May - on terms that CEO Steve Kean would accept.

When Wilson-Raybould refused to offer his client the legal mechanism that he lobbied to invent, he was livid.  Iacobucci regularly communicates with Morneau and the former Treasury Board President Scott Brison.  He was not shy about articulating his displeasure with the Attorney General to either man.

The Clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick, even complained to Wilson-Raybould that, 'Iacobucci is not a shrinking violet', to impress upon her the political pressures being exerted on Trudeau. Among Toronto-area political operatives, it's been rumored that Iacobucci may be one of three men in possession of 'embarrassing information' on Trudeau.

In October Trudeau asked Iacobucci to lead the government's negotiations with indigenous communities in British Columbia, where consent is required to accommodate the pipeline.  The government is not merely required to 'consult', because British Columbia's indigenous people have never ceded their lands to Canada by Treaty or transaction.

A source close to the talks suspects that Trudeau had tasked Iacobucci with 'essentially bribing' every indigenous community along the pipeline's route, in order to secure approvals as quickly as possible.  The characterization of bribery, the source says, is based on Iacobucci's posture of engagement with indigenous communities - not allowing for meaningful negotiations, and insisting that the federal government's duty is satisfied by merely transferring funds to the affected communities, regardless of the outcome of discussions.

Iacobucci, who was already angry that Wilson-Raybould was refusing to allow his client to negotiate a deferred prosecution agreement, feared that his consultations in British Columbia could be construed as improper. He would only agree to take the role on the condition that Trudeau would replace her with a 'more doting' Member of Parliament.

Executives at SNC Lavalin have long expected that they will be awarded the construction contract on the multi-billion dollar infrastructure project, and the firm has been advocating aggressively for it in Ottawa.  The firm has also been engaging with key influencers in British Columbia.

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Indigenous leaders have been calling on Iacobucci to resign his role with the Trans Mountain Pipeline and to 'fully disclose' his list of clients and political activities.

The Chronicle was unable to find Iacobucci's registration in LobbyCanada.

SNC Lavalin has disclosed the following 'in house' contacts made with Trudeau officials since September 2016 (Iacobucci was working as an 'in house' attorney).  In addition, the firm has hired third-party consultants to lobby the government simultaneously.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/snc-lavalin-quebec-caq-1.5056385

SNC-Lavalin approached Quebec's justice minister about DPA as part of wider effort to lobby government
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Part of company's effort to get new CAQ government to help it avoid prosecution

Simon Nakonechny, Jonathan Montpetit CBC News Posted: Mar 14, 2019 1:41 PM ET

SNC-Lavalin approached Quebec's attorney-general last fall to enlist her help securing a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) from the federal government.

This was part of a broader effort by the company to get the newly elected Coalition Avenir Québec government to take up its cause with Ottawa.

The senior executive in charge of SNC-Lavalin's lobbying strategy, Erik Ryan, had a phone conversation on Nov. 9 with Justice Minister Sonia LeBel's chief of staff, Marc-André Ross.

During that conversation, Ryan said he wanted to meet with LeBel to discuss a DPA, which would allow SNC-Lavalin to avoid prosecution on federal fraud and bribery charges.

The account of the conversation was provided to CBC News by Lebel's office.

"We find it important to be transparent and to communicate this [information]," said spokesperson Nicky Cayer.

LeBel's office did not follow up on SNC-Lavalin's request for help and has not had further contact with the company, Cayer said.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/5030733/saadi-gaddafis-toronto-condo/

March 14, 2019 6:45 am

The Gaddafi condo: Redecorated at SNC-Lavalin's expense, luxury Toronto suite sits unused amid UN inaction

By Stewart Bell

The Gaddafis lost Libya in 2011, when rebel fighters captured and killed longtime dictator Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. But the family still holds a small patch of territory in Canada's largest city.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #624 on: March 14, 2019, 22:44:35 »
Ref: Iacabucci.

W.T.F!

If the Chronicle has this correct, a former Supreme Court Judge is, essentially, blackmailing the current PM.

What kind of nothern Banana republic has Canada become?