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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #325 on: July 02, 2019, 23:49:00 »
Hello and thank you for taking the time to read this, Please let me explain my issue...

     I have been selected for further processing by the CAF and asked to come in to the recruitment center in a weeks time for my testing (the trades I choose are in high demand I was told). I have declared that I have a criminal record to them and they have not asked for any further information from me regarding it. Now my criminal record is extensive both Young offender and Adult charges and range from robbery(as a young offender) to breaches of probation, with my only adult charges being breaches of probation and a cultivation for personal use charge.
         I have on the other hand been out of trouble and had zero contact with law enforcement for almost 13 years now. having gotten my last charge in 2006 with any legal obligations ending in 2007 and have since went onto become a different person and have even held jobs as high end managers for large hotel and resort chains as well as been in charge of large sums of money and sensitive financial information.  They asked what my most recent charge was but not about any others so now my question is before going up to the appointment next week since I live several hours away should I disclose my full record or would they of looked it up already. As well will they take into account the major changes I've made in my life since changing my behaviour or will such a record automatically disqualify me from CSIS clearance. Thank you for your help.

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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #326 on: July 02, 2019, 23:54:59 »
See also,

Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12896.msg1532296.html#msg1532296
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #327 on: July 03, 2019, 00:13:02 »
Thank you. I have been reading through that thread and have been slowly coming to the decision that I more then likely wont pass the clearance even though my record is quite old, just do to the nature of the charges and the amount of them. Though I think I will still go to the appointment and see what happens and possibly I will be given a chance to explain my self and the amount of effort I put into changing. I am slightly worried though because I raise 2 children and support a disabled spouse, so im wondering now if I did get accepted and left my current position could I a month or two down the road be discharged when the security clearance is finally completed? thank you again

ZR

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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #328 on: July 03, 2019, 00:15:46 »
Thank you.

You are welcome.  Good luck.  :)

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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #329 on: July 03, 2019, 07:52:41 »
... could I a month or two down the road be discharged when the security clearance is finally completed? thank you again

ZR

I have not seen this happen unless you commit a serious offence while serving.  Prior to enrollment, they will complete an Enhanced Reliability Check (ERC) and depending on your trade you will need a much higher clearance.  ERC basically covers you to rumor.  I think you need at least a level 2 clearance for any trade in the CAF these days.
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #330 on: July 03, 2019, 12:10:50 »
Thank you. I have been reading through that thread and have been slowly coming to the decision that I more then likely wont pass the clearance even though my record is quite old, just do to the nature of the charges and the amount of them. Though I think I will still go to the appointment and see what happens and possibly I will be given a chance to explain my self and the amount of effort I put into changing. I am slightly worried though because I raise 2 children and support a disabled spouse, so im wondering now if I did get accepted and left my current position could I a month or two down the road be discharged when the security clearance is finally completed? thank you again

ZR

Razzar, if you are looking to join the Regular Force you should be giving significant consideration to the impact that it will have on your family. You didn't specify but if your spouse requires your physical support (opposed to just financial) this may be an issue.

A career in the CAF more often than not requires frequent and lengthy periods of time away from one's family for courses, exercises, taskings, and deployments. Whether or not you can meet these conditions of service is an eligibility requirement to serve and will be asked in the interview.
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #331 on: July 03, 2019, 13:54:35 »
Have you looked into obtaining a record suspension if you qualify?  Who is eligible for a record suspension?
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #332 on: August 22, 2019, 09:03:23 »
I was told by my recruiter that I need a record suspension for my enrollment. My DUI charge is from 1995. I really didn't think that a 24 year old charge would matter, since I have been a "good boy" ever since. If I have to have one, I will get it. Is that something new or does it vary recruiter to recruiter?

Ironically, the processing fee for the record suspension is $631.00 and my fine back then was only $500. Go figure.
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #333 on: August 22, 2019, 09:08:52 »
I was told by my recruiter that I need a record suspension for my enrollment. My DUI charge is from 1995. I really didn't think that a 24 year old charge would matter, since I have been a "good boy" ever since. If I have to have one, I will get it. Is that something new or does it vary recruiter to recruiter?

For reference to the discussion,

DUI - Effects on Joining?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22214.125
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #334 on: August 22, 2019, 20:19:52 »
 Mike, I've read that one and several other threads related to this one. Unfortunately, many aren't current and some date back a decade or more. I posted here because it is the most current. I've emailed my recruiter and await his response.

Thanks for your response.
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Brad
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #335 on: August 22, 2019, 20:26:27 »
Mike, I've read that one and several other threads related to this one. Unfortunately, many aren't current and some date back a decade or more. I posted here because it is the most current. I've emailed my recruiter and await his response.

Thanks for your response.
Cheers,
Brad

The answer is of course..... It depends.

If it was a long time ago, I would recommend seeking out a pardon.

Hire a lawyer to do it for you, it will cost more but they will get it done right.

https://www.pardons.org/pardons/faqs/


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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #336 on: August 22, 2019, 20:40:37 »
Unfortunately, many aren't current and some date back a decade or more.

"DUI - Effects on Joining?" was active as recently as last year.

I use this Sticky as my guideline when posting to merged topics of discussion on specific subjects such as this,

Necroposting - Not always a bad idea 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,87278.0.html

As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of official, up to date, information.

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Thanks for your response.

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)
« Last Edit: August 22, 2019, 20:58:53 by mariomike »

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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #337 on: August 22, 2019, 21:19:10 »
The answer is of course..... It depends.

If it was a long time ago, I would recommend seeking out a pardon.

Hire a lawyer to do it for you, it will cost more but they will get it done right.

https://www.pardons.org/pardons/faqs/

Formerly “pardon” now = “record suspension”, just FYI.
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #338 on: August 22, 2019, 23:12:54 »
Thank you for the responses Humphrey, Mike, and Brihard.

I have all the forms needed, along with the guide, and have started the ball rolling toward my record suspension already. As it will cost over $1000 as is, ($631 application fee + CRC fee + court fees + time off work) I was hoping not to have to do it to enroll. I understand, at the very best, that it would delay my enrollment. A record suspension takes 6 months to process AND costs a fair chunk of change, so a delay would happen either way.

It seems, though, that without it, my enrollment may be halted altogether.

My Recruiter, who is aware of my record, (because I had brought in a recent CRC with my enrollment package) has decided to continue with enrollment despite this "hiccup", as he called it.

I go for my CFAT, FORCE, medical and interview next week. Wish me luck!

Cheers,
Brad
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #339 on: August 23, 2019, 10:07:56 »
Remember that a recruiter's job is to get people into the CAF, not keep them out.  If there's a good chance of enrollment, they will continue the process (as they should).  Rely on them to provide you with the best advice and best course of action.

As far as I know, your young offender record is of minor importance (if any at all) and if your adult record is suspended, then that too should not be a big issue.  Note, however, that I am NOT a recruiter.  I do remember though that the old security clearance personal history forms asked something along the lines of, "do you have a record of criminal offences for which you have not been pardoned?"  To me, that means that once pardoned (now "record suspended"), your criminal record is no longer an issue.
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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #340 on: September 23, 2019, 09:37:47 »
Sorry for the late post; I've been on course/TD/leave and haven't been the best at keeping up with my social media accounts.
In this event please note that it'll be the PSO (possibly RPSO) that will review your past and make recommendations. 
As Pusser said "a recruiter's job is to get people into the CAF, not keep them out"; recruiters are there to inform you along the way of the recruiting process and assist you along the way.

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Re: Criminal Records Check - CRC (Merged)
« Reply #341 on: November 26, 2019, 01:15:35 »
Sorry for the late post; I've been on course/TD/leave and haven't been the best at keeping up with my social media accounts.
In this event please note that it'll be the PSO (possibly RPSO) that will review your past and make recommendations. 
As Pusser said "a recruiter's job is to get people into the CAF, not keep them out"; recruiters are there to inform you along the way of the recruiting process and assist you along the way.

Hey,

Quick questions

For  an MP, can you / will you be hired if you have past police history but no convictions? I was granted a conditional discharge 2 years 20 months ago for mischief; it'll be completed in March 2020 and wiped off my record. I have the required education for it, college diploma in police studies. I am a 30+ applicant in terms of age.  The mischief charge relates to events in 2011, but it took years through the court system. I was very through in regards to my previous issues related to my back round with my file manager and officer. 

Prior to applying I spoke to multiple recruiters and a Captain indicated to me in email that he has never seen an applicant with police history be hired as an MP, Feedback and thoughts on this would be appreciated?

I currently have a application in for Intel Operator; My file is with medical right now, and my file manager just communicated to me that my background has come back and they are just waiting for approval on it. When I applied there were fifteen spots open on it, but they look like most of them have been selected. My thoughts  are I might not be merit listed until April 1st,2020 and at such time I can then add MP to the selection list of occupations; hopefully I'll have a valid medical / clearance on file and then be short listed?

Curious as well; I've been told my CFAT scores are "average". I wrote the CFAT back in 2010. I spoke to my file manager and asked to rewrite as my academic ability has increased since I last wrote it and this time I can be more prepared. I wish to also "increase" my competitiveness and have a "higher" score for selection purposes. I got an email back from the detachment commander wanting to speak with me in regards to my rewrite request, he specified he wanted to "provide me with the most up to date information" before submitting the request. Good Sign / Bad sign?  Curious.

Info appreciated - Thanks.