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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2017, 16:36:25 »
Thanks guys, that's a pretty handy setup, I hadn't thought of using the router for that; I can definitely build that jig up and use it for a few projects I have in mind, and finish it off with a nice old hand planer I inherited.  With a sacrificial strip on the edges that would be a quick way to plane the cutting board, and also need a workbench that's higher up so I don't hunch over all the time (which is probably karma for laughing at short friends while going through engineering school who are keeping the design height at 5'6" for everything).

I was more looking at the wood carving grinder bits as well, but the planer attachment would be handy for flattening an area on a carving I guess.  I've seen some pretty interesting carvings made up with layered plywood blocks and thought that the grinder carving wheel would be a good way to play around with that a bit.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2017, 14:46:08 »
Time for a bit of an update:

I'm finally rolling in the shop. I have the dust extractor going, the cyclone works like a charm, and I made another unit to collect planer shavings - because a DW 735 chucks 'em like nobody's business.

In various stages of development right now:
-shoe storage/bench with a live edge maple top.
-several tables from reclaimed red cedar.
-another live edge bench to be married with smithed iron.
-a big frigging slab of birch.
-table/bar top made from ripped and side profiled birch ply, which I am really amped to get done.

Why I am really here today: I have a Jos Cote 119 bandsaw and I am pretty much out of options asking for anything written on the thing. Even a schematic would be better than what I have, which is SFA. The thing belonged to my grandfather and has not run in at least 15 years, but still turns true and easily. Some of the guides will need work, and the whole thing needs to be stripped and painted, but it's too nostalgic to sell, and it's a 19 inch and those, brand new, ain't cheap.

Anyone? Bueller?

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2017, 11:52:21 »
Time for a bit of an update:

I'm finally rolling in the shop. I have the dust extractor going, the cyclone works like a charm, and I made another unit to collect planer shavings - because a DW 735 chucks 'em like nobody's business.

In various stages of development right now:
-shoe storage/bench with a live edge maple top.
-several tables from reclaimed red cedar.
-another live edge bench to be married with smithed iron.
-a big frigging slab of birch.
-table/bar top made from ripped and side profiled birch ply, which I am really amped to get done.

Why I am really here today: I have a Jos Cote 119 bandsaw and I am pretty much out of options asking for anything written on the thing. Even a schematic would be better than what I have, which is SFA. The thing belonged to my grandfather and has not run in at least 15 years, but still turns true and easily. Some of the guides will need work, and the whole thing needs to be stripped and painted, but it's too nostalgic to sell, and it's a 19 inch and those, brand new, ain't cheap.

Anyone? Bueller?

Cheers

Band saws are likely one of the simplest machine tools and they haven't changed much from inception.  Furthermore, although they're certainly not all identical, I would argue that they're all similar enough that generic instructions are all you should need.  There are plenty of books (and I would assume YouTube videos on how to maintain and tune band saws of any variety).  For the most part, a band saw consists of two wheels. The drive wheel is generally fixed, so the only maintenance you should need would be to the motor.  The other wheel is a little trickier in that it has adjustments:  The tension adjustment moves the wheel up and down to increase/decrease the tension on the blade.  Correct blade tension is important because if it's too tight, you risk snapping the blade and if it's too loose, the blade can drift or even fall off.  Many band saws actually have a tally plate telling you how tight the blade should be (tension varies with blade size).  The other adjustment is for centering the blade on the wheels.  This is simply a matter of tilting the wheel towards or away from the front until the blade is centered on the wheel.  I recommend turning the wheels by hand to do this initially and then checking it with the motor running.  With a little practice, you can get quite proficient with this.

All in all, a band saw is a great tool.  It cuts smoothly because the blade is always going in the same direction.  It's great for curved cuts (much better than a scroll saw), but can't really do an inside cut unless you have the skills to re-weld the blade.  The biggest downside I see is that a truly straight cut is difficult to achieve and that you can't really sharpen the blade.  It also has the advantage of forcing all the sawdust downward where it is easily collected by a dust collection system and less likely to be processed through your lungs.
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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2017, 12:57:27 »
Thanks for your input. This had been my fallback, under the assumption that generic would do. I did know most of the operating of one, having used them long ago - and it's pretty intuitive just looking. Thankfully there's also a load of info out there re: blade tensioning as well as drive belt tensioning/rpm.

My super last ditch effort was to email a distant cousin who owns several lumber type operations and who may actually still have one of these.

If I need parts is where it might get scary, but a Canadian woodworking forum indicates that some are interchangeable with a little modification.

This will be a winter long project and I can't wait to see end results. It will more than handle everything I could ever want to do with it.
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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2018, 17:03:30 »
Update on the saw: no progress except learning, and I am fine with that because this isn't something I want to frig up. Someone sent me an advert for the saw which dates it to pre-1955. My millwright brother-in-law and I were drinking beer ten feet from the machine when he exclaimed at its good shape, so I asked some bearing related questions and got that end sorted.

Work will begin on it once I clear some projects out.
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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2018, 16:39:08 »
I am going to be in the market for some 8/4 birch sometime soon.

Anyone in the Maritimes with some knowledge of sourcing?

I have a line on some in Dieppe (close to me) but at $64 for an eight footer ($8/fbm!!!) it kind of made me stop a second. It's kiln dried #1, but 8 bucks a board foot? Maybe I am out of touch.

End of the day, price is price for this sort of stuff from a storefront type. I know I can start searching sawmills, but many do not have an internet presence so I am kind of in the dark.

Preferably I'd drive no more than 100 km to source the stuff. I'd also buy maple - curly, whatever, if I could find the right mill.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2018, 16:47:56 »
Years ago I bought some 12 ft ash for the tongs on a one horse sleigh I got from my father in law. I got it in a dinghy little mill on a side street by the bank in Port Elgin. The guy has some beautiful wood there.

when it came to price it was right out of the movies.....looked down, spit in sand, covered it with his boot, drew out a stub of a pencil and added up some numbers and charged me $16 for two twelve foot by 8 inches by 2 inches boards planed.....
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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2018, 16:58:52 »
Haha. Yeah, not too much of that stuff left.

I did find a guy somewhat local who was charging me $2/fbm for rough maple, air dried. Nice stuff. After the calculations were done and I paid him, he proceeded to fire another bunch of smaller boards in the back of my truck - he was blown away that I didn't try to dicker.

Perhaps my best story was the guy who I later found out was going to hit the provincial pen on weekends for fraud. He sold me a crapload of nice birch and some smaller chunks of cherry and maple for next to nothing. I think he was cash light and didn't want a potential sale to walk away ;D
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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2018, 17:11:01 »
The talk of speciality wood made me remember a trip down to Amish country in Ohio. They have a very modern lumber/hardware store there called Keim's which had the best specialty wood section I've ever seen bar none. It's a bit out of the way but if you live in Southern Ontario and want to have a nice road trip and pick some up it's well worth the trip (not to mention all the other things they have down there.

http://www.keimlumber.com/

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Cheese https://www.babyswiss.com/

Berlin Ohio http://heartofamishcountry.com/

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2018, 03:05:11 »
I'll be helping my father to refurbish a rocking horse that my uncle made for my brother as a Christmas gift when he was a year old. As that same brother has a daughter who will be celebrating her first birthday in December, it's something of a point of pride in my family that it's come home after passing through the hands of each household in my immediate extended family, ending where it began.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2019, 12:31:43 »
Here's something a little different that I think most of you might be interested in. It concerns the construction of an ancient Egyptian ship called a baris that was described in some contemporary Greek literature which left historians somewhat puzzled ever since.

Archaeologists have found a relatively well preserved one from around 416BC and have analysed the construction techniques and in particular the extensive use of mortise and tenon joints in holding the whole thing together.

The research paper on this can be found here:

https://www.um.es/cepoat/arqueologiasubacuatica/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/A_new_type_of_construction_evidenced_by.pdf

The paper is a bit slow to get into the meat of the thing but if you want to skip forward to the "executive summary" there are some excellent diagrams at pages 7, 10 and 11 that sum it up nicely. In fact if you start there and then read the rest of the paper the whole thing makes more sense.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #86 on: August 13, 2019, 15:06:57 »
Hello,

Have any of you ever built (or attempted to build or thought about building) the Lee Valley tool chest

It is described here:

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=32761&cat=1,46158,46165&ap=1

Holy heck!  I thought I was a sort-of handy guy that put something like this together.  Was I ever wrong.  I have been at this for almost three years (puttering on and off).  I have been humbled.  Building this tool chest requires making a huge number (maybe 200) parts with very tight tolerances.  One single part requires the correct length, width, thickness and probably a notch in one side, a groove in another and a tongue on the end.  Each of these has to be very accurately measured and cut (+/- 1/32" or better) for the dimension and the locations.  That is, not only does, say, the groove have to be the exact right size, it has to be located in exactly the right spot. 

I am about 90% complete and have taken a few short cuts to speed things along (e.g. making simple joints where the plans call for rather complex joints).  It is less than perfect. 

If you even think about building this, be sure you don't just have the right tools, but the tools that can support the required accuracy. 

Anyone else tried to build this monster? 

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #87 on: August 13, 2019, 16:06:33 »
Wow, that's pretty tight tolerances.  I'm reasonably confident to get with 1/16" with my ad hoc setup but would want a much bigger cutting surface for the table saw to get that close.

Guess it's good practice though; but I find the Lee Valley stuff kind of assumes you have a pro workshop setup and are already a pro carpenter.  Joinery is fidgety, and find it's one of those things I need a lot of practice to get competent at.  A lot easier with some of those fancy jigs for the routers or dado blades, but those can cost a fortune.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2019, 16:16:37 »
Hello,

Have any of you ever built (or attempted to build or thought about building) the Lee Valley tool chest

It is described here:

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=32761&cat=1,46158,46165&ap=1

Holy heck!  I thought I was a sort-of handy guy that put something like this together.  Was I ever wrong.  I have been at this for almost three years (puttering on and off).  I have been humbled.  Building this tool chest requires making a huge number (maybe 200) parts with very tight tolerances.  One single part requires the correct length, width, thickness and probably a notch in one side, a groove in another and a tongue on the end.  Each of these has to be very accurately measured and cut (+/- 1/32" or better) for the dimension and the locations.  That is, not only does, say, the groove have to be the exact right size, it has to be located in exactly the right spot. 

I am about 90% complete and have taken a few short cuts to speed things along (e.g. making simple joints where the plans call for rather complex joints).  It is less than perfect. 

If you even think about building this, be sure you don't just have the right tools, but the tools that can support the required accuracy. 

Anyone else tried to build this monster?

Crazy cool man!  My grandfather used to make stuff like this but he had an absolute boss woodworking shop with thousands of $$$ of really expensive equipment.  He also made lots of custom wood art and furniture that he sold to people as a hobby.  His specialty was animals and he had an affinity for birds which he would photograph and then carve to sell at the local Farmers Market.

A lot of this stuff is becoming a bit of a lost art.  I've done a bit of wood working myself but the proficiency and skill that my grandfather displayed takes years to develop, so good on you for having a go at this.

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Re: The Woodworking Thread
« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2019, 11:33:20 »
Dave would you care to share any pics of how it turned out?  The design looks interesting but doubt it does it justice.

Agree though, good on you for giving it a go; I've avoided the Lee Valley plans for years specifically because of the level of difficulty/assumed expertise required.