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Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« on: November 22, 2012, 16:15:46 »
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Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
 
Crew detected a hydraulic problem
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A Sea King helicopter from CFB Shearwater made a controlled landing next to a Sobeys parking lot in Bedford, N.S around 2 p.m. Thursday.
 
Lt.–Col. Jeff Fletcher, the commanding officer of 423 Squadron, said they were returning from a routine training mission to Greenwood when the indicator light showed a problem with the helicopter's hydraulics.
 
"When that occurs, what we need to do at that point, we need to make an emergency landing," he said.
 
There were five people on board. Fletcher said they looked for the nearest safe location to land. They found an empty field, right next to a busy shopping area in Bedford.
 
"When we were at 3,000 feet, a mile and a half away, your heart's kind of racing a little bit," he said. "To think that you're going to be putting it in a parking lot or into an area like this, it's not something you necessarily want to do."
 
Fletcher said they practice for a situation like this several times a month.
 
"When it happens, your training just kicks in. You still get a heightened level of awareness, but that in itself, we're ready for when it happens."

'When we were at 3,000 feet, a mile and a half away, your heart's kind of racing a little bit'—Lt.-Col. Jeff Fletcher

Emergency vehicles rushed to the scene as the helicopter neared the parking area.
 
"It sure attracted a bit of a crowd. I don't remember when I last landed a helicopter and I had a couple of fire trucks, and the police response that we had. That's certainly not in the ordinary."
 
No one was injured in the incident.
 
CFB Shearwater spokesperson Lt. Navy Len Hickey said there will now be an investigation to determine exactly what caused the problem.
 
The helicopter is still sitting in the parking lot. Hickey said they haven't decided how it will be removed from the scene.
 
Defence Minister Peter MacKay also spoke about the unexpected landing.
 
"The imporant thing is everyone is fine, everybody has walked away from it," he said. "It's an unfortunate incident but it does happen with machinery."
 
This isn't the first time a Sea King has landed in the area. In 2010, a helicopter made a precautionary landing in Lower Sackville because of a hydraulic problem.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 02:52:01 »
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 12:01:04 »
Not even bothering posting anymore.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 13:01:47 »
Was there a medical team on board or do you mean a scary moment for the responding Ambulance crew to the scene? Glad everybody is ok. I used to work for EHS in Nova Scotia. Love it there  :) :yellow:

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 16:49:54 »
It was a scary moment for all the medical Amb team yesterday.
I didn't see any mention, in any of the articles, about an embarked medical team. Were you a member of the immediate response team, and were you scared?

Or are you, once again, telling tales outside your lane?

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 16:51:20 »
I thought that they just saw a good deal and needed to pick up the groceries......


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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2012, 17:36:57 »
It was a scary moment for all the medical Amb team yesterday. Lucky everyone walk away safe.

 ???

I'll suggest it was a tad more "scary" for the crew.  Not taking away form 'luck', but I think I'll give credit to the Aircraft Captain and crew for landing her safely.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2012, 17:43:36 »
Was there a medical team on board or do you mean a scary moment for the responding Ambulance crew to the scene? Glad everybody is ok. I used to work for EHS in Nova Scotia. Love it there  :) :yellow:

I'll say no.  Normal crew compliment is 4 (2 Pilots, 1 ACSO, 1 AES Op).  CO (who was onboard) of 423 MH Sqn said in his interview it was a routine training flight, with a crew of 5, so likely the 5th person was an instructor/Standards pers (despite the obvious comments on CBC about the MND being flown around for his groceries, etc).
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 18:59:53 »
(despite the obvious comments on CBC about the MND being flown around for his groceries, etc).

Big suprise there. ::)

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 19:09:18 »
(despite the obvious comments on CBC about the MND being flown around for his groceries, etc).

Well, his wife is pregnant.  That's probably why we're getting the Chinooks - so he can go to Costco for Pampers.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 19:41:15 »
I walk past that area daily.

We heard the emergency response sirens and thought it was another accident on the highway.

Late yesterday afternoon, we watched a Sea King fly low level down Larry Uteck, hang a right and still flying low level the flew along the rim of Bedford basin to the container terminal before rising to a standard altitude. So we thought it was all over with.

When we headed out at 1845, and drove past the LZ, the Sea King was still on site. On our return trip at 2045, the entire site was empty.

Good job on the crew, support team and system in keeping this as safe as it turned out.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 21:14:40 »
CH124 412  aka "Hormuz Harry" from the first Gulf War.  She was a good flyer during that time.  I spent a lot of hours with her and the others.  I still love the SeaKing and what the crews do with them.

Sounds like one of the primary flight hydraulic systems failed (Pri or Aux), when one shuts down for any reason it automatically turns the other on if selected off and gives warnings.  A pretty good system, and I am glad all are ok.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2012, 00:40:15 »
Were you a member of the immediate response team....
Based upon PM from Macey, I sincerely apologize for this post, which erroneously presumed he was posting outside his lane.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2012, 02:55:19 »
Yesterday's Herald had a satire cartoon depicting the Sea Kings as lemons. Must have been a late night at the drawing board to get that out for pressing ::)

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 09:58:52 »
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2012, 12:35:51 »
BZ to the crew for a solid response to what, for larger helicopters, can be a highly undesirable ending.  Loss of both hydraulics can lead to loss of aircraft control.  Don't know about the specific force required in a Sea King, but with a dual hydraulic failure on a CH-47 Chinook, it takes over 6,000 lbs of force to move the controls (i.e. impossible).

Skipper did a good job securing the aircraft and ensuring everyone's safety, spectators included.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2012, 12:51:16 »
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There is effectively no way to control a Sea King without Pri and Aux hydraulics.

While loss of either system is a serious thing and must be dealt with, it I not like being on fire or losing the tail rotor- that will kill you. The crew did a good job of not taking something serious and making it worse by trying to force a landing in a worse spot than what they did choose.

And loss of hydraulics has nothing really to do with the age of the aircraft.  It can happen on a brand new airplane, too.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2012, 13:06:02 »
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Gotta love the media.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2012, 13:13:04 »
...And loss of hydraulics has nothing really to do with the age of the aircraft.  It can happen on a brand new airplane, too.

Indeed SKT.  I had loss of a primary control hydraulic on only a 15-year old helicopter -- spicier yet was being at 10,000' ASL at the time.  ;)

Agree Strike, that any aircraft that is half a century old that can still be put safely on the ground is doing all right.

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2012, 13:16:05 »
I walk past that area daily.

We heard the emergency response sirens and thought it was another accident on the highway.

Late yesterday afternoon, we watched a Sea King fly low level down Larry Uteck, hang a right and still flying low level the flew along the rim of Bedford basin to the container terminal before rising to a standard altitude. So we thought it was all over with.

When we headed out at 1845, and drove past the LZ, the Sea King was still on site. On our return trip at 2045, the entire site was empty.

Good job on the crew, support team and system in keeping this as safe as it turned out.

Now that has to p*** the media off.
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2012, 13:41:29 »
Indeed SKT.  I had loss of a primary control hydraulic on only a 15-year old helicopter -- spicier yet was being at 10,000' ASL at the time.  ;)

Agree Strike, that any aircraft that is half a century old that can still be put safely on the ground is doing all right.

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10,000 feet in a helicopter?  Wow- that is a long way up. I think I have been that high in a Sea King once.  In case you care, a sonobuoy dropped from that altitude takes a long time hit the water.  Still functioned!

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 13:47:54 »
In case you care, a sonobuoy dropped from that altitude takes a long time hit the water.  Still functioned!
That's about 48 seconds of freefall......assuming you open your 'chute around 2,000 feet.....otherwise you won't still function

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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 07:39:29 »
An update:
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A new report says a leaking O-ring is the reason the pilots of a Sea King helicopter were forced to make a controlled emergency landing last year.

The helicopter landed near a parking lot at a Sobeys in Bedford on Nov. 22, 2012.

Military safety officers say the faulty, dime-sized seal was leaking hydraulic fluid.

Their report says it was the fifth time since 2000 that an O-ring or the packing material beneath it has broken down and started to leak ....
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 18:49:46 »
An update:

It always amazes me how such a small, cheap part can cause such an accident. This one was a good news story, but it could have been a tragedy. 
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Re: Sea King helicopter lands near grocery store
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2013, 21:04:12 »
Larger and more expensive parts can fail too, but that doesn't make anybody feel better.

And, by definition, tat was not an accident. It was an emergency, yes, but no damage resulted.