U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Czech_pivo]

Seems to also be a gender gap.

17% men vs 6% women.

Maybe if we got a NFL team or two it would help reduce the gap, lol.

I'd like to see those males numbers broken down by province, as that would be very interesting.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... the only reason the LPC continues to win is because of the rules of the game, not because their positions and policies are the most popular as a single party.

And this right there is our biggest weakness as a country.

Same rules that brought in other governments with majorities, so we take the good, we take the bad (in the words of the cheesy old family show intro tune).

And nobody's going to change the rules, we've learned, in a way that will make it impossible for them to get a majority ever again.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Same rules that brought in other governments with majorities, so we take the good, we take the bad (in the words of the cheesy old family show intro tune).

And nobody's going to change the rules, we've learned, in a way that will make it impossible for them to get a majority ever again.

You're 100% correct of course. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

[Genetk44]

While my primary preference is for Canada to remain completely independent and sovereign I can see certain attractive features to joining the US as a state or multiple states. However that would have to be on the basis of a voluntary, mutual and long-thought out negotiation by both sides based on the will of the majority of the citizens of both countries. Trumps present aggresive, coercive route is a complete non-starter and must be resisted.

 

[QV]

The polling on that reflects the instinctive repulsive response of anything Trump. I'd wager a large sum that if the same proposal came in the soothing voice of a smiling Obama, the polls would be wildly different.

 

[Cloud Cover]

While my primary preference is for Canada to remain completely independent and sovereign I can see certain attractive features to joining the US as a state or multiple states. However that would have to be on the basis of a voluntary, mutual and long-thought out negotiation by both sides based on the will of the majority of the citizens of both countries. Trumps present aggresive, coercive route is a complete non-starter and must be resisted.

You know what would help a lot is an honest, truthful comparison of pros and cons. Side by side of everything from taxes, healthcare, property rights, language rights, indigenous rights, civil rights, educational opportunities and foundations, infrastructure, entrepreneurship opportunities, retirement benefits, marriage and divorce risks, occupational wages, benefits, economic forecasting, basically every metric relevant to the life one lives to the life one could live.
Given the wide regional disparities both in Canada (east, west, north, south, rural, urban, commuter class, laptop class) and the USA. Give people the information they need to decide which country they want to live in. But I’ll be damned if one country should fold into another based on those differences which are just opportunities to improve based on policy decisions.

 

[QV]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

I don't think they see it that way. I think they see another LPC government means giving up freedoms. That is the party that takes things from people including property, wealth, access to banking, jobs due to mass vaccine status or loss of industry etc.

 

[Remius]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

Meh. These are the types that are cut from the same cloth that the left has when it comes to having a fit when their side does not get what it wants. The Rosie Odonnells and Ellen DeGeneres’ that vow to leave.

Same types but different sides of the same coin.

 

[McG]

More narratives undermining legitimacy of international boundaries. MAGA is preparing peoples to accept its seizing of territory with the same playbook as Putin.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900563857107452246

 

[HavokFour]

More narratives undermining legitimacy of international boundaries. MAGA is preparing peoples to accept its seizing of territory with the same playbook as Putin.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900563857107452246

A comment like this being made when Greenland made it very clear after their recent election that they do not want to be part of the US is very concerning.

 

[JLB50]

Thanks to Trump, if another 9/11 attack occurs in the U.S. America will soon find out how many former friends it has…countries who will not come to their aid. They have not only used up what goodwill they had…they will find that some of their former friends are closer to being outright adversaries. All in just 2 months time.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Thanks to Trump, if another 9/11 attack occurs in the U.S. America will soon find out how many former friends it has…countries who will not come to their aid.

Yup.

When people so you their true colours you should believe them.

 

[JLB50]

Yup.

When people so you their true colours you should believe them.


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J.D. Vance may have enjoyed his sofa, but it appears that Justin is really enjoying his chair.

 

[McG]

Yup.

When people so you their true colours you should believe them.


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Are you really carrying so much emotions for Trudeau that you need to take a discussion about Trump’s threats to annex territory and make that about Trudeau? I mean, the guy is gone; he is irrelevant now!

 

[Jarnhamar]

Are you really carrying so much emotions for Trudeau that you need to take a discussion about Trump’s threats to annex territory and make that about Trudeau? I mean, the guy is gone; he is irrelevant now!

Trudeau's legacy is alive and well.

Trudeau showed his true colour's years ago and Canadians ignored it - look where it got us.

Trump is showing his true colour's now and some Canadians are still happy to ignore it.

Canadians need to learn from our own history and believe Trump when he talks about annexing Canada. And if Trump puts on a show about changing, don't believe him.

 

[CBH99]

Are you really carrying so much emotions for Trudeau that you need to take a discussion about Trump’s threats to annex territory and make that about Trudeau? I mean, the guy is gone; he is irrelevant now!

Gone? Officially, yes...

Irrelevant? Hardly...


This trade war started while Trudeau was in power. Trump's 'threats' to annex Canada started when he was in power.

So it isn't about making it about Trudeau because of some emotional issue with him.
But any discussion about the US annexing Canada will inevitably include the conditions that existed when all this talk started, and those conditions existed after 10 years of Trudeau's policies that led us to where we were...

...

I doubt this is the last we've seen of Trudeau.
He ruled that party with an iron fist, and worked behind the scenes early on within the party to make sure he couldn't be removed from power unless he chose to step down.

He personally selected Carney to be his replacement, and seemed to rig the LPC leadership race to reflect his choice.

He's officially gone now, yes. But he still has some tentacles & some influence within the LPC, and that will absolutely matter to Trump.

 

[OldSolduer]

One question:

All those Canadians who moved to the US - the more famous ones, not the snowbirds - are they flocking back to Canada?

 

[Kirkhill]

Things must be bad when the French, the Germans and the Brits, as well as the Poles, are all singing from the same hymnbook.

Is Mark going to pick up his marching orders?

Further to my comments about the changing environment in Europe, the one that spawned Mark Carney's GFANZ (Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero) and the one he is going back to visit as PM of Canada

Westminster’s net zero consensus is about to collapse and it’s not a moment too soon

The cross-party green dogma that has been so costly was imposed on taxpayers without a vote. The Tories should row back on it now

www.telegraph.co.uk

As the latest (non) growth figures show, the economy is moving very slowly, if at all. In consequence, politics is moving fast.

In policy towards defence and security, housebuilding, welfare spending, NHS England, immigration, foreign aid, shedding useless civil servants and two-tier sentencing, Labour is moving fast to the Right. It has been spooked by the failure of its first six months.

This change may be more rhetorical than real,

Strangely, it can be harder to break with a bi-partisan policy than one of your own. In the 1970s, both main parties usually adhered to the belief that inflation must be held down by “prices and incomes policies”. (Wage and Price Controls - Trudeau and Stanfield 1974 - Transatlanticist Bureaucrats even then)

Government, business and trade unions, assisted by a specially created board of worthies, would adjudicate how people’s wages should be adjusted in the light of price rises.

This approach did nothing to stop inflation and handed political and industrial power to often militant trade union leaders. Mrs Thatcher understood, at least from 1974, what nonsense it was. She began to advocate quite different policies, such as “monetarism” and reform of trade union law, but she moved cautiously to avoid blaspheming against the bipartisan pieties of the age. The strikes of the Winter of Discontent of 1978-9 convinced enough voters that her new approach was right.

The equivalent bipartisan nonsense of today is not strictly economic, although it has dire economic effects. It is net zero, (Enter Mark Carney) first legislated for by Ed Miliband’s Climate Change Act of 2008. With the support of all but five Conservatives (the most important Tory to oppose it was Peter, now Lord, Lilley), it passed. Mr Miliband then set the 2050 target of reducing by 80 per cent the UK’s carbon emissions in excess of their 1990 level.

In 2019, the Conservative government, led by Theresa May, hardened that target to 100 per cent.

 

[JLB50]

One question:

All those Canadians who moved to the US - the more famous ones, not the snowbirds - are they flocking back to Canada?

Director James Cameron recently announced that he doesn’t agree with the politics in America and, although not going back to Canada, he is moving to New Zealand where he already has a home. I’d be very very surprised if Gretzky were to come back.

 

[Jarnhamar]

he is moving to New Zealand where he already has a home.

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