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2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

If you were firing back at me thinking I was in here with some sort of a complaint, that was a misread.
No, not a complaint, but one of a number of rebuttals that on the whole, including yours, appear (at least to me) to be making the case of more recent critique against Poilievre in this thread of a lack of ‘platform.’ I too take no issue to individuals, but to the arguments they may make (or fail to make) regarding a position currently in discussion.

I am comfortable being on the record in this thread and others as having a position that Poilievre has had several issues throughout his recent journey as leader of the CPC, and that he has a responsibility to both his constituents (of whom, I am one) and to Canadians writ large, in order to make the case in an election that he deserves their (or the plural majority of their) support.
 
I had not previously been aware of how doctors were using professional corporations as a way to shelter themselves from income taxes
More people than doctors can and do incorporate.
That's great that they've had access to that financial mechanism that the rest of us in our professions basically don't have.
I wish everyone could sign onto the jammiest available public service pension fund, make the required contributions, and collect on the same terms (eg. 70% of best 3 years, fully indexed, etc), but that's also something most people don't get to do.
There are huge issues with doctor compensation, most of which rest at the provincial level. Maybe we should just be paying them properly in the first place rather than incentivizing loopholes and legal tax dodges that most people don't get to do. Maybe we shouldn't be forcing them out of family medicine because the margins on a clinic are too tight to offset the cost of their education. Maybe we should subsidize the hell out of that education in the first place, contingent on a period of practice in Canada.
Legal tax dodges and corporate structures have purposes. One is to limit personal liability if things go pear-shaped. Another is to provide mechanisms to balance losses against gains. A third is to provide incentives for investment and savings - fundamental pillars of productive economic growth.
But these are very distinct issues from individual workers working corporate structures to shield their income and then getting upset when corporate capital gains face increased taxation.
The rules by which people are going to plan their lives ought to be stable across generations.
 
More people than doctors can and do incorporate.
Certainly, but that’s still a small minority of jobs that have that option.

I wish everyone could sign onto the jammiest available public service pension fund, make the required contributions, and collect on the same terms (eg. 70% of best 3 years, fully indexed, etc), but that's also something most people don't get to do.

So bumping CPP to be comparable to (and obviate the need for) defined benefit registered pension plans? That would be a hell of a policy plank, I’ll give you that. Of course, someone working outside of a registered pension plan gets significant more RRSP room, can invest as they see fit, keep their capital, and can pass it on to inheritors. Our pension plans cannot return any better than that fixed percentage of our salary based on service, and when I and my wife both die it does with us. So there are pros and cons.

Legal tax dodges and corporate structures have purposes. One is to limit personal liability if things go pear-shaped. Another is to provide mechanisms to balance losses against gains. A third is to provide incentives for investment and savings - fundamental pillars of productive economic growth.
Pretty much none of which are actually congruent with an individual paid employee. A doctor or lawyer or accountant aren’t going to be able to hide from their regulatory bodies behind their corporate structure. The liability limitation is more about protecting the personal, individual security of an entrepreneur or shareholder should a business fail. An individual professional does not compare cleanly and clearly to a business set up along those lines. Like I said, it’s a dodge.

The rules by which people are going to plan their lives ought to be stable across generations.

The rules generally are. This is not an earth shattering change. It’s a tax hike and not an extreme one either. By your same logic, CPP and OAS should stay perpetually benchmarked at 65, and OAS should not be means tested. Those public sector pension plans should not have ever increased contribution rates, and those putting a cap on indexing or shifting to defined contribution should desist.

Any long term financial plan should be resilient to changing conditions. That’s a basic principle of investing. If your retirement plan is predicated on preferential tax treatment by means of a dodge that may be revisited, then that’s a situation where your financial planning should diversify the structures it relies on.
 
To call it a “dodge” is I think very disrespectful to a very deliberate legitimate business decision for many.

The incorporation of medical professionals has been a reality for many years or decades at this point. The respective tax rates that go with incorporation have driven very real business decisions for family doctors as well as provincial fee schedules.

I would expect that medical professionals will now be looking to the provinces for higher fees now as their corporations will have less money for their businesses. It could end up impacting O&M decisions, capital expenditures, staffing levels and yes the medical professionals own retirement plans.

I actually don’t think that the Liberal Party has thought through any second or third order effects on this.
 
So bumping CPP to be comparable to (and obviate the need for) defined benefit registered pension plans? That would be a hell of a policy plank, I’ll give you that. Of course, someone working outside of a registered pension plan gets significant more RRSP room, can invest as they see fit, keep their capital, and can pass it on to inheritors. Our pension plans cannot return any better than that fixed percentage of our salary based on service, and when I and my wife both die it does with us. So there are pros and cons.
All the rules for individual plans are subject to "for now". What happens is that proposals for taking a bite here or there - retroactive RRSP taxation, capital gains on primary residences - come and go and it's impossible to determine just who is going to be wrong-footed by a narrowly crafted change. Changes ought not be narrowly crafted.
The liability limitation is more about protecting the personal, individual security of an entrepreneur or shareholder should a business fail.
Exactly.
The rules generally are. This is not an earth shattering change. It’s a tax hike and not an extreme one either. By your same logic, CPP and OAS should stay perpetually benchmarked at 65, and OAS should not be means tested. Those public sector pension plans should not have ever increased contribution rates, and those putting a cap on indexing or shifting to defined contribution should desist.
Not so. What "my logic" is, is that changes should be broad. There's nothing wrong with sliding tax rates up and down. I don't mind progressive taxation, age benchmarks, or means tests. I would prefer that capital gains be taxed uniformly, at one rate, for individuals and non-individuals.
If your retirement plan is predicated on preferential tax treatment by means of a dodge that may be revisited, then that’s a situation where your financial planning should diversify the structures it relies on.
The entirety of RRSPs is "predicated on preferential tax treatment".
 
Do doctors need to buy practices or have a market to sell theirs in? They dont lack for patients/customers. Maybe specialists with equipment?
 
To call it a “dodge” is I think very disrespectful to a very deliberate legitimate business decision for many.

The incorporation of medical professionals has been a reality for many years or decades at this point. The respective tax rates that go with incorporation have driven very real business decisions for family doctors as well as provincial fee schedules.

I would expect that medical professionals will now be looking to the provinces for higher fees now as their corporations will have less money for their businesses. It could end up impacting O&M decisions, capital expenditures, staffing levels and yes the medical professionals own retirement plans.

I actually don’t think that the Liberal Party has thought through any second or third order effects on this.

Except that tax rates for corporations have not changed. Tax treatment of capital gains above $250k in a single year have now changed.

If your financial planner can't smooth your gains over multiple years to remain within that annual limit, you're either in the 1% of the 1%, or your planner has been taking money and not delivering.
 
Do doctors need to buy practices or have a market to sell theirs in? They dont lack for patients/customers. Maybe specialists with equipment?
They don't "need to". Retiring GPs used to be able to sell their practices to starting doctors, but I gather starting doctors have no interest in that. (I suppose it's an unnecessary expense when the demand for GPs is so high - open an office, announce you are accepting new patients, et voila.) If selling a practice used to be part of retirement planning and is no longer viable, dependency on other investments would be greater, and interference with those dependencies would have greater impact.
 
Except that tax rates for corporations have not changed. Tax treatment of capital gains above $250k in a single year have now changed.

If your financial planner can't smooth your gains over multiple years to remain within that annual limit, you're either in the 1% of the 1%, or your planner has been taking money and not delivering.
Or you have a large single asset to sell, which is not necessarily a feature of being in the 1% of the 1%.
 
Our pension plans cannot return any better than that fixed percentage of our salary based on service, and when I and my wife both die it does with us.

The pension might live on.

If / when the member's spouse passes away, and the member re-marries.

When the member finally passes away, the new spouse gets 66 2/3%. Indexed to inflation.

Guaranteed for life. Does not stop if / when the new spouse re-marries.

At our pre-retirement seminar, they told us of one attractive widow ( grieving all the way to the bank ) collecting six ( 6 ) OMERS pensions.
 
Except that tax rates for corporations have not changed. Tax treatment of capital gains above $250k in a single year have now changed.

If your financial planner can't smooth your gains over multiple years to remain within that annual limit, you're either in the 1% of the 1%, or your planner has been taking money and not delivering.

For a corporation there is no up to $250k. The first dollar and every dollar is now subject to a 66.7% percent inclusion rate vs the previous 50%.
That results in an increase in taxes even though the tax rate has not changed.

If a small business owner sells their business corporation for $400k, there is no $250k at 50% inclusion, it’s all at the new 66.7%.
 
Or you have a large single asset to sell, which is not necessarily a feature of being in the 1% of the 1%.
If your financial planner can't work within a 150k per year limit to arrange a payment structure, they should be fired .
 
Do doctors need to buy practices or have a market to sell theirs in? They dont lack for patients/customers. Maybe specialists with equipment?
Unless you’re a family doctor working inside a hospital’s provincially funded family practice, then yes, a doctor (family physician) does need to be a partner in a family practice. In Ontario, for example, OHIP caps a physician’s total billings so they aren’t allowed to bill for additional costs such as clinic nurses, staff, equipment, etc. Those are costs shared by the physician partners’ income…the capped billed income.

Recent CBC article explains more:

Furthermore, the federal and provincial governments incentivized physicians to incorporate in lieu of raising annual personal and practice licensing fees…




“I'm deeply appreciative of the work that doctors do, and nurses do, personal support care workers, the work that's done by everybody in our health system is absolutely extraordinary,” [Federal Minister of Health] Holland said, adding the intention behind the capital gains tax increase is to have those who have “seen their wealth grow enormously” pay more to reduce the “enormous disparity” in society.

[CTV Power Play host] Kapelo then pressed further, asking whether Holland believes doctors deserve to keep more of the wealth they’ve worked for.

“Of course they work for their assets,” Holland said. “But look, we can choose what kind of society we live in. Do we want to be in communities where there are huge discrepancies?”

According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information, the average gross payment per physician in Canada in 2022 was $357,000, including family doctors, specialists, and surgeons. But incorporated physicians also pay their staff, and for their practice’s overhead, from that amount.

It also noted that over the same time as inflation increased 20% (2016-present), doctors fees only increased 6.1%, or a net reduction in pay of close to 2%/year.

The Government is a big fan of describing ‘fair’ pseudo-qualitatively.

Lower income earners pay less % tax. Higher income earners, greater % tax. Higher income earners also pay substantially more absolute tax as well as the %. So what’s fair? More for those already paying more % AND absolute) and less for those already paying less (again, % AND absolute)? How fair is fair? When the doctors are taxed enough that they net the same as…whom? 50 percentile Canadians?

Since my retirement from the CAF in 2016, I have lost two family doctors due to the pressure of capped billing and the embedded personnel(nurse, techs, admin), equipment and infrastructure costs of running a practice. They left private practice to return to being specialists at a hospital, where they no longer have to worry about deducting personnel, equipment and infrastructure costs from their salary.

Retroactively reducing the capacity of a retirement measure they were encouraged/incentivized/bribed/blackmailed into adopting years ago, is likely going to out end well for the Canadian Provincial and Territorial Health Care systems…
 
I had not previously been aware of how doctors were using professional corporations as a way to shelter themselves from income taxes and to fund their retirement. That's great that they've had access to that financial mechanism that the rest of us in our professions basically don't have. If I could incorporate myself, bill my earnings to a corporate account, dodge taxes at what would otherwise be my marginal rate, and shift to a tax-beneficial dividend-based income for retirement that would be pretty great. I can't, and most Canadians can't. There's a limited amount of sympathy in play there.

There are huge issues with doctor compensation, most of which rest at the provincial level. Maybe we should just be paying them properly in the first place rather than incentivizing loopholes and legal tax dodges that most people don't get to do. Maybe we shouldn't be forcing them out of family medicine because the margins on a clinic are too tight to offset the cost of their education. Maybe we should subsidize the hell out of that education in the first place, contingent on a period of practice in Canada. But these are very distinct issues from individual workers working corporate structures to shield their income and then getting upset when corporate capital gains face increased taxation.

That's not how any of that works at all.

Using a corporation to defer tax on income until you're retired (or semi-retired) and have a lower marginal tax rate at the personal level is a super common tax planning tool used by almost any owner-managed business after maxing out RRSPs (and sometimes TFSAs based on their financial goals).

It's not actually that much more tax efficient. There are a ton of things built into the corporate tax system such as Part I Refundable and Part IV taxes that prevent it from being much more tax efficient than just investing it personally. The biggest reason it's done for most people is actually creditor protection. Keeping those savings in a different corporation helps ensure if they get sued for any reason, or the PC runs into creditor issues, it's a lot harder for creditors to make a claim against those savings.

Anybody operating through a PC can be personally liable for their professional mistakes, and owner-managers who are not PCs can still be personally liable for things that happen within their operating corp, allowing the person who slips on ice walking in the vicinity of their place of business to potentially sue not just their corp but also the owner-manager.

Part I refundable and Part IV tax (which is also essentially a refundable tax) largely takes away the tax deferral opportunity. Essentially they get taxed at the highest marginal rates on any income earned by those investments, so it stops them from being able to reinvest it anymore than a normal person would be able to. When they pay it to the shareholder (themselves) as a dividend, then the corp receives the refundable tax back.

The only companies that can really benefit from super complex tax planning are a small fraction of the companies that are going to harmed by this. They can benefit from that tax planning due to the gross numbers more than anything. The only way to close those loopholes is actually to reduce the corporate rate to 0% so we can get rid of all the silliness of "integration" which is why these openings occur in the first place. Come to grips with the fact that a corporation can't actually pay taxes - only the individual shareholders - and then tax their dividends at 100% instead of this silly "gross-up and tax credit" system which is literally just a bunch of smoke and mirrors designed to ensure the the effective marginal tax rate paid at the personal level is the same as if there was a 0% corporate tax rate and the shareholder was paying tax on their dividends at 100%, and is only employed because it's politically unpopular to have a 0% corporate tax rate (despite it's massive benefits).

Do doctors need to buy practices or have a market to sell theirs in? They dont lack for patients/customers. Maybe specialists with equipment?

Doctor's don't really sell their practices anymore and most surgeons/specialist use the hospital's equipment and just get paid for their actual service fee.

It's not worth it for a new doctor to buy an existing practice because the demand is so high - they can just set up shop anywhere and practically don't even need to advertise.

Certainly, but that’s still a small minority of jobs that have that option.

There is nothing stopping anybody from creating an InvestCo and investing from within there. I would be happy to help you set up a HoldCo to do your investing from if you think the fees will be worth it. We can do the analysis for you to determine what tax benefits you would receive and compare them to the cost of maintaining it.

Hint: Unless you're doing it for reasons like creditor protection, you'll quickly find you probably can't even really save the $2000 or $3000 in taxes a year to make it worth the professional fees and are better off just investing it in a self-directed fund, with all of your capital gains-oriented investments staying in the taxable account and your income-based investments in the RRSP/TFSA accounts..

Pretty much none of which are actually congruent with an individual paid employee. A doctor or lawyer or accountant aren’t going to be able to hide from their regulatory bodies behind their corporate structure. The liability limitation is more about protecting the personal, individual security of an entrepreneur or shareholder should a business fail. An individual professional does not compare cleanly and clearly to a business set up along those lines. Like I said, it’s a dodge.

Using a corporation to provide a manner in which they can limit their financial liability only to the what they've invested in the business, and not having the liability extend to their personal financial security unless there is something negligent afoot, is pretty important if you actually want any form of entrepreneurship to occur - whether it's a doctor or the next Tesla. That professionals also have to worry about additional personal liability - how does that contribute to an argument that it's a tax dodge? I'm not really sure what you're argument was there?

The most the regulatory body can do is take your license away. If they levy a fine you don't want to pay, you can just leave the profession and they can't do shit. The regulatory body can't do shit about your InvestCo and seize all your savings. But yes, certain professionals do have more liability, which makes it all the more important to have an InvestCo, not less important.

The capital gains increase is bad news. You've got the Bank of Canada sounding the alarm bells over Canada's alarmingly low productivity and a housing affordability crisis (most developers plan largely around creating capital gains in the long-term), and now the government is creating policy based on tricking the uninformed voter into thinking the "rich" just have it too good and need pay a "more fair share" (as if their extremely disproportionate share of all taxes paid isn't already... disproportionate), and you're lapping it all up like a fat kid eating cake.

Personally I've moved half of my investments into US dollars (and all my investmests are in US companies/funds) because Canada is a sinking ship and our dollar is reflecting that and it's only going to get worse.
 
That's not how any of that works at all.

Using a corporation to defer tax on income until you're retired (or semi-retired) and have a lower marginal tax rate at the personal level is a super common tax planning tool used by almost any owner-managed business after maxing out RRSPs (and sometimes TFSAs based on their financial goals).

It's not actually that much more tax efficient. There are a ton of things built into the corporate tax system such as Part I Refundable and Part IV taxes that prevent it from being much more tax efficient than just investing it personally. The biggest reason it's done for most people is actually creditor protection. Keeping those savings in a different corporation helps ensure if they get sued for any reason, or the PC runs into creditor issues, it's a lot harder for creditors to make a claim against those savings.

Anybody operating through a PC can be personally liable for their professional mistakes, and owner-managers who are not PCs can still be personally liable for things that happen within their operating corp, allowing the person who slips on ice walking in the vicinity of their place of business to potentially sue not just their corp but also the owner-manager.

Part I refundable and Part IV tax (which is also essentially a refundable tax) largely takes away the tax deferral opportunity. Essentially they get taxed at the highest marginal rates on any income earned by those investments, so it stops them from being able to reinvest it anymore than a normal person would be able to. When they pay it to the shareholder (themselves) as a dividend, then the corp receives the refundable tax back.

The only companies that can really benefit from super complex tax planning are a small fraction of the companies that are going to harmed by this. They can benefit from that tax planning due to the gross numbers more than anything. The only way to close those loopholes is actually to reduce the corporate rate to 0% so we can get rid of all the silliness of "integration" which is why these openings occur in the first place. Come to grips with the fact that a corporation can't actually pay taxes - only the individual shareholders - and then tax their dividends at 100% instead of this silly "gross-up and tax credit" system which is literally just a bunch of smoke and mirrors designed to ensure the the effective marginal tax rate paid at the personal level is the same as if there was a 0% corporate tax rate and the shareholder was paying tax on their dividends at 100%, and is only employed because it's politically unpopular to have a 0% corporate tax rate (despite it's massive benefits).



Doctor's don't really sell their practices anymore and most surgeons/specialist use the hospital's equipment and just get paid for their actual service fee.

It's not worth it for a new doctor to buy an existing practice because the demand is so high - they can just set up shop anywhere and practically don't even need to advertise.



There is nothing stopping anybody from creating an InvestCo and investing from within there. I would be happy to help you set up a HoldCo to do your investing from if you think the fees will be worth it. We can do the analysis for you to determine what tax benefits you would receive and compare them to the cost of maintaining it.

Hint: Unless you're doing it for reasons like creditor protection, you'll quickly find you probably can't even really save the $2000 or $3000 in taxes a year to make it worth the professional fees and are better off just investing it in a self-directed fund, with all of your capital gains-oriented investments staying in the taxable account and your income-based investments in the RRSP/TFSA accounts..



Using a corporation to provide a manner in which they can limit their financial liability only to the what they've invested in the business, and not having the liability extend to their personal financial security unless there is something negligent afoot, is pretty important if you actually want any form of entrepreneurship to occur - whether it's a doctor or the next Tesla. That professionals also have to worry about additional personal liability - how does that contribute to an argument that it's a tax dodge? I'm not really sure what you're argument was there?

The most the regulatory body can do is take your license away. If they levy a fine you don't want to pay, you can just leave the profession and they can't do shit. The regulatory body can't do shit about your InvestCo and seize all your savings. But yes, certain professionals do have more liability, which makes it all the more important to have an InvestCo, not less important.

The capital gains increase is bad news. You've got the Bank of Canada sounding the alarm bells over Canada's alarmingly low productivity and a housing affordability crisis (most developers plan largely around creating capital gains in the long-term), and now the government is creating policy based on tricking the uninformed voter into thinking the "rich" just have it too good and need pay a "more fair share" (as if their extremely disproportionate share of all taxes paid isn't already... disproportionate), and you're lapping it all up like a fat kid eating cake.

Personally I've moved half of my investments into US dollars (and all my investmests are in US companies/funds) because Canada is a sinking ship and our dollar is reflecting that and it's only going to get worse.

Thanks for expanding on this. Much to think about. I’ll just note that my comments about corporations as a tax dodge are limited to the context brought up of doctors establishing a professional corporation, though I recognize that logically extends to some other sole practice professionals. None of what I said is to be understood as applying to entrepreneurship and growing actual businesses; that’s not something I’ve looked into or thought through.

I remain completely open to the possibility to that is bad policy- I just won’t likely be convinced of that using the example of individuals using a corporation as a retirement vehicle for a professional practice that I’ve already said should be paid quite a bit better in the first place.
 
Unless you’re a family doctor working inside a hospital’s provincially funded family practice, then yes, a doctor (family physician) does need to be a partner in a family practice. In Ontario, for example, OHIP caps a physician’s total billings so they aren’t allowed to bill for additional costs such as clinic nurses, staff, equipment, etc. Those are costs shared by the physician partners’ income…the capped billed income.

Recent CBC article explains more:

Furthermore, the federal and provincial governments incentivized physicians to incorporate in lieu of raising annual personal and practice licensing fees…






It also noted that over the same time as inflation increased 20% (2016-present), doctors fees only increased 6.1%, or a net reduction in pay of close to 2%/year.

The Government is a big fan of describing ‘fair’ pseudo-qualitatively.

Lower income earners pay less % tax. Higher income earners, greater % tax. Higher income earners also pay substantially more absolute tax as well as the %. So what’s fair? More for those already paying more % AND absolute) and less for those already paying less (again, % AND absolute)? How fair is fair? When the doctors are taxed enough that they net the same as…whom? 50 percentile Canadians?

Since my retirement from the CAF in 2016, I have lost two family doctors due to the pressure of capped billing and the embedded personnel(nurse, techs, admin), equipment and infrastructure costs of running a practice. They left private practice to return to being specialists at a hospital, where they no longer have to worry about deducting personnel, equipment and infrastructure costs from their salary.

Retroactively reducing the capacity of a retirement measure they were encouraged/incentivized/bribed/blackmailed into adopting years ago, is likely going to out end well for the Canadian Provincial and Territorial Health Care systems…
Not only that but as I recently found out they require permission to set up the practice as one of the local doctors wanted to move some km from Barrie to Elmvale On and was denied permission to do so
 
Not only that but as I recently found out they require permission to set up the practice as one of the local doctors wanted to move some km from Barrie to Elmvale On and was denied permission to do so
Who’s the gatekeeper on that?
 

The pension might live on.

If / when the member's spouse passes away, and the member re-marries.

When the member finally passes away, the new spouse gets 66 2/3%. Indexed to inflation.

Guaranteed for life. Does not stop if / when the new spouse re-marries.

At our pre-retirement seminar, they told us of one attractive widow ( grieving all the way to the bank ) collecting six ( 6 ) OMERS pensions.
But that's not what he said. When both the pensioner and spouse die, so does the pension. It's a complex area, but if both die in a fiery crash a week after he retires, I'm not sure that there is a commuted value that falls to the estate. Even if only the pensioner dies, the spousal survivor entitlement is a fixed percentage, depending on the plan and election, but it's typically not what the pensioner was entitled to.

Not only that but as I recently found out they require permission to set up the practice as one of the local doctors wanted to move some km from Barrie to Elmvale On and was denied permission to do so
I think there may be more to the story. If (and I don't know this) Elmvale is considered an underserviced rural area, the doctor gets extra funding, but the reality is, Barrie to Elmvale is about 25km, and the doctor will no doubt carry her current patient roster with her. Most patients would likely follow her rather than trying to find a new doctor, which means the rural area gets no net gain, but she gets more money. The municipality gets a rent-paying tenant at their clinic but that's about the extent of the benefit.

We have something similar going on up here. We live in an underserviced area and have a small medical clinic. A doctor from the the nearby city is moving his practice to the clinic. He gets more money, but is bringing his full patient roster with him, so we're still without a doctor.

I had not previously been aware of how doctors were using professional corporations as a way to shelter themselves from income taxes and to fund their retirement. That's great that they've had access to that financial mechanism that the rest of us in our professions basically don't have. If I could incorporate myself, bill my earnings to a corporate account, dodge taxes at what would otherwise be my marginal rate, and shift to a tax-beneficial dividend-based income for retirement that would be pretty great. I can't, and most Canadians can't. There's a limited amount of sympathy in play there.

There are huge issues with doctor compensation, most of which rest at the provincial level. Maybe we should just be paying them properly in the first place rather than incentivizing loopholes and legal tax dodges that most people don't get to do. Maybe we shouldn't be forcing them out of family medicine because the margins on a clinic are too tight to offset the cost of their education. Maybe we should subsidize the hell out of that education in the first place, contingent on a period of practice in Canada. But these are very distinct issues from individual workers working corporate structures to shield their income and then getting upset when corporate capital gains face increased taxation.


I stand to be corrected, but the way I understand it for Ontario, doctors were previously prohibited from incorporating but this was changed a number years ago as an alternative when the province refused to give them a raise.
 
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