Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]

[Scoobie Newbie]

CANFORGEN 130/06 CMS 044/06 161215Z AUG 06
NAVAL COMBAT DRESS (NCD) UPDATE
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. CANFORGEN 141/02 ASST CMS 003 041300Z DEC 02
B. CANFORGEN 109/02 ADMHR-MIL 062 171020Z OCT 02
C. CANFORGEN 093/01 CMS 074/01 221555Z AUG 01
D. CANFORGEN 084/01 CMS 006 241119Z JUL 01
E. CANFORGEN 017/01 CMS 012/01 011416Z FEB 01
F. CANFORGEN 110/00 CMS 077/00 250910Z SEP 00
G. CF DRESS INSTRUCTIONS - A-AD-265-000/AG-001
H. SCALE OF ENTITLEMENT
I. NAVAL DRESS COMMITTEE MEETINGS - VARIOUS
J. MARCORD 17-3 - REVISED JUN 06 (NOTAL)



THE AIM OF THIS CANFORGEN IS TO CONSOLIDATE EARLIER MESSAGES AND REEMPHASIZE A NUMBER OF DRESS ISSUES PERTAINING TO NCD S. IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF MARGENS PERTAINING TO NAVAL DRESS WITHIN THE CMS ORGANIZATION HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED INTO THE JUN 06 REVISION OF MARCORD 17-3.


CANFORGENS AT REFS A TO F ARE CANCELLED AS CHANGES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO REFS G AND H, OR UPDATED HEREIN


CARE AND CLEANING: NCD S SHALL BE CLEANED AND PROPERLY PRESSED/IRONED. MAINTENANCE AND CARE IS CLEARLY STATED ON THE MANUFACTURERS TAGS ATTACHED TO THE GARMENTS


INSIGNIA: UNTIL REF G CAN BE AMENDED, ON THE NCD JACKET:


THE NAME TAPE IS TO BE CENTERED ON THE RIGHT BREAST WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE NAME TAPE IN LINE WITH THE BOTTOM BREAST SEAM,


ONLY CLOTH FLYING/SPECIALIST SKILL BADGES ARE TO BE WORN. THE FIRST BADGE WILL BE CENTERED AND 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) ABOVE THE LEFT TOP BREAST SEAM, AND THE SECOND BADGE CENTERED AND 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) BELOW THE LEFT BREAST LOWER SEAM, LEAVING A SPACE OF APPROX 4 CM (1.5 INCH) BETWEEN THE TWO BADGES. THE ORDER OF WEAR IS AT THE MEMBER S DISCRETION, AND


CHAPLAIN S INSIGNIA. NOTWITHSTANDING CHAP 7 PARA 35 OF REF G, THE CHAPLAIN CLOTH INSIGNIA SHALL BE CENTERED 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) BELOW THE NAMETAPE ON THE JACKET.

 

[CallOfDuty]

  Grrrr.......I was hoping your post was going to say us navy types are all getting the new Navy CADPAT!!!!!    >

 

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CARE AND CLEANING: NCD S SHALL BE CLEANED AND PROPERLY PRESSED/IRONED. MAINTENANCE AND CARE IS CLEARLY STATED ON THE MANUFACTURERS TAGS ATTACHED TO THE GARMENTS

Does the army iron its combat dress? LOL.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

CANFORGEN 130/06 CMS 044/06 161215Z AUG 06
NAVAL COMBAT DRESS (NCD) UPDATE
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. CANFORGEN 141/02 ASST CMS 003 041300Z DEC 02
B. CANFORGEN 109/02 ADMHR-MIL 062 171020Z OCT 02
C. CANFORGEN 093/01 CMS 074/01 221555Z AUG 01
D. CANFORGEN 084/01 CMS 006 241119Z JUL 01
E. CANFORGEN 017/01 CMS 012/01 011416Z FEB 01
F. CANFORGEN 110/00 CMS 077/00 250910Z SEP 00
G. CF DRESS INSTRUCTIONS - A-AD-265-000/AG-001
H. SCALE OF ENTITLEMENT
I. NAVAL DRESS COMMITTEE MEETINGS - VARIOUS
J. MARCORD 17-3 - REVISED JUN 06 (NOTAL)



THE AIM OF THIS CANFORGEN IS TO CONSOLIDATE EARLIER MESSAGES AND REEMPHASIZE A NUMBER OF DRESS ISSUES PERTAINING TO NCD S. IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF MARGENS PERTAINING TO NAVAL DRESS WITHIN THE CMS ORGANIZATION HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED INTO THE JUN 06 REVISION OF MARCORD 17-3.


CANFORGENS AT REFS A TO F ARE CANCELLED AS CHANGES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO REFS G AND H, OR UPDATED HEREIN


CARE AND CLEANING: NCD S SHALL BE CLEANED AND PROPERLY PRESSED/IRONED. MAINTENANCE AND CARE IS CLEARLY STATED ON THE MANUFACTURERS TAGS ATTACHED TO THE GARMENTS


INSIGNIA: UNTIL REF G CAN BE AMENDED, ON THE NCD JACKET:


THE NAME TAPE IS TO BE CENTERED ON THE RIGHT BREAST WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE NAME TAPE IN LINE WITH THE BOTTOM BREAST SEAM,


ONLY CLOTH FLYING/SPECIALIST SKILL BADGES ARE TO BE WORN. THE FIRST BADGE WILL BE CENTERED AND 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) ABOVE THE LEFT TOP BREAST SEAM, AND THE SECOND BADGE CENTERED AND 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) BELOW THE LEFT BREAST LOWER SEAM, LEAVING A SPACE OF APPROX 4 CM (1.5 INCH) BETWEEN THE TWO BADGES. THE ORDER OF WEAR IS AT THE MEMBER S DISCRETION, AND


CHAPLAIN S INSIGNIA. NOTWITHSTANDING CHAP 7 PARA 35 OF REF G, THE CHAPLAIN CLOTH INSIGNIA SHALL BE CENTERED 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) BELOW THE NAMETAPE ON THE JACKET.

I just don't get why every other order of dress has my cross above the nametape yet this one has it below. I think this is bad theology....ha ha.....exalting the person over the Diety...it's just not right!!

Whiskey you are a crap disturber!!  ;D Don't even get me going on CADPAT for sailors!! :rage:

Anyway I'm on leave what am doing obsessing about this stuff :

 

[Missile Man]

Does this mean the new NBP badge goes in the same place Ship's divers wear theirs?  I recall when the badge first came out it was sewn on in a weird spot, really low on the left side.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

Does this mean the new NBP badge goes in the same place Ship's divers wear theirs?  I recall when the badge first came out it was sewn on in a weird spot, really low on the left side.

I saw a guy wearing one in the CSOR the other day and it was realy low down on the left hand side...looked kinda odd.

Aplogies Whiskey...its' Call of Duty who is the crap disturber...CADPAT for sailors indeed!!

 

[CallOfDuty]

  I'm sorry padre...I can't help myself......I'm in the Navy and I like the CADPAT!  I'm so ashamed,lol...

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

  I'm sorry padre...I can't help myself......I'm in the Navy and I like the CADPAT!  I'm so ashamed,lol...

lol...I'm just joshing you. Don't you think that CADPAT would look a tad out of place on a ship? And a lot out of place when you stand beside sailors of other countries as we do when we go on NATO deployments etc?
Oh well...it's probably that St Jean brainwashing that gets sailors to like "green stuff"...ha ha :

 

[jollyjacktar]

CallofDuty you are not alone in wanting CADPATs.  There are several others here on my ship who have lost all reason too.... >

 

[Sub_Guy]

Fools..... CADPAT will never be worn on ship, only if we are giving tours to zoomies or grunts!

Baseside CADPAT yes!

Sea going NO

If you are in the Navy and think otherwise you should think twice before taking those pills from the unmarked bottle............

 

[CallOfDuty]

  Sounds good Sub_Guy!  Any idea when we can expect this?
I forget who said it in the other Navy cadpat thread, but basically I agree with the idea that NCD's look horrible as a walking in dress and almost always look sloppy.
  Cheers
Steve

 

[Franko]

Hmmm...CADPAT on ship.

That's a novel idea. Can't see you at all....except the honkin' ship that carries you around is a dead giveaway    ;D

Regards

 

[CallOfDuty]

.........not for the ship..........for baseside.

 

[navymich]

This was supposed to be an update on NCD's (thank you btw Quaqmire, for posting that information), not a continuation of the CADPAT thread .  Not even sure if some of you can agree to disagree or not, because obviously this "discussion" will continue on for what seems like forever.  Everyone has their opinion FINE, and here's mine: enough already hashing it out over and over again!

 

[Springroll]

Not going to start a new thread, but I am loking for a reference to the colour of tshirt permitted to be worn with NCD's.
I am aware we can wear the white one, but the storeman I saw yesterday was wearing a black tshirt and when i asked him about it, he said that there was a canforgen out saying we can.

I found it and by the way it reads to me, it is only permitted when wearing cadpat.

Is this correct or not??

 

[PO2FinClk]

From what understand, correct!

I believe it was a MARGEN which authorized the wear of the white T-Shirt in NCD's. A CANFORGEN last year authorized the wear of black T-Shirt's in CADPAT.

Edit to add:
MARGEN 033/04 Para 1.E. - White T-Shirt
CANFORGEN 027/07 Para 2.C. - Black T-Shirt

 

[RickDevlieger]

For those personnel in MARPAC (West Coast), MARPACGEN 005/08 DRESS INSTRUCTION UPDATE is very clear. Para 13 reads a follows:


13. ORDERS OF DRESS:
A. NAVAL COMBAT DRESS:
(1) NAVY - WHITE TEE SHIRTS ONLY MAY BE VISIBLE AT THE NECK UNTIL
BLACK ONES BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH LOGISTIK
AIR - BLUE TEE SHIRTS ONLY MAY BE VISIBLE AT THE NECK
ARMY - GREEN TEE SHIRTS ONLY MAY BE VISIBLE AT THE NECK
(2) NCD JACKET CUFFS SHALL BE SECURED AT THE WRIST
(3) NCD SHIRT COLLARS ARE TO BE WORN INSIDE THE NCD JACKET
(4) SAFETY KNIVES MAY BE ATTACHED TO BELT OF NCD HOWEVER, THEY ARE
NOT AUTH AS WALKING OUT DRESS
(5) NCDS SHALL BE CLEAN AND IRONED
(6) NAME TAPES - ALL PERSONNEL WHO WEAR THE NAVAL COMBAT DRESS
REGARDLESS OF THEIR ELEMENT SHALL WEAR THE BLACK CLOTH NAME TAPE
(7) RANK INSIGNIA SLIP-ONS - PERSONNEL SHALL WEAR THEIR OWN ELEMENTS
RANK INSIGNIA SLIP-ONS
(8) SHIP/UNIT CRESTS SHALL BE WORN ON THE NCD JACKET
(9) NAVAL BOARDING PARTY BADGE.  WEAR OF THE BADGE IS AUTHORIZED FOR
QUALIFIED MEMBERS OF THE SHIP S BOARDING PARTY, ONLY WHILE SERVING
AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARDING PARTY, AND ONLY ON THE NCD JACKET.  IT
SHALL BE WORN IN THE LOCATION FOR A SECOND FLYING/SPECIALIST BADGE,
WHICH IS CENTERED AND 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) BELOW THE LEFT BREAST LOWER
SEAM. IT IS ALSO AUTHORIZED FOR QUALIFIED BOARDING PARTY
INSTRUCTORS WHILE PERFORMING BOARDING PARTY INSTRUCTOR DUTIES
BOARDING PARTY INSTRUCTORS WILL WEAR THE BADGE ON THE BOARDING PARTY
COVERALL ONLY, AND IT SHALL BE PLACED ON THE LEFT SIDE CENTERED
ABOVE THE BREAST POCKET 0.6 CM (1/4 INCH) ABOVE THE NAVAL BOARDING
PARTY INSTRUCTOR INDICATOR TAPE
B. CADPAT:
1. APPROVED NAVY IDENTIFIERS FOR ALL NAVY DEU PERSONNEL WHO ARE
REQUIRED TO WEAR CADPAT/LWCC ARE AS FOLLOWS:
A. DISTINCTIVE RANK INDICATORS (SLIP-ONS). BLACK THREAD ON CANADIAN
AVERAGE GREEN (CAG) BACKGROUND, DISTINCTIVE NAMETAPE. BLACK THREAD
ON CAG BACKGROUND AND THE NAVY INSIGNIA (ANCHOR) WORN ON THE LEFT OF
THE NAMETAPE, AND BLACK TEE SHIRT. THESE IDENTIFIERS WILL COMPLEMENT
THE CURRENT NAVY BLACK BERET APPROVED FOR WEAR WITH CAPDAT/LWCC
1. DISTINCT NAVY IDENTIFIERS ARE APPROVED FOR WEAR WITH CADPAT/LWCC
IN CANADA DEPENDENT ON THE OPERATIONAL CONTEXT OF THE UNIT - IE. IN
NON-TACTICAL SITUATIONS AS DEEMED BY THE OPERATIONAL COMMANDER.
AUTHORIZATION ON OVERSEAS OPERATIONS WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF
THE THEATRE COMMANDER BASED ON THE OPERATIONAL SITUATION
2. NAVY IDENTIFIERS ARE ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE TEMPERATE
WOODLAND (TW) CADPAT/LWCC AND SHALL NOT BE WORN WITH OTHER CADPAT
DESIGNS (I.E. ARID)
3. THE ACQUISITION OF DISTINCTIVE RANKS, DISTINCTIVE NAMETAPE, AND
THE BLACK TEE SHIRT IS IN PROGRESS AND WILL EVENTUALLY BE MADE
AVAILABLE TO AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL THROUGH EXISTING CLOTHING
DISTRIBUTION OUTLETS. THE QTY OF NAMETAPES, RANK SLIP-ONS AND TEE
SHIRTS TO BE ALLOTTED FOR WEAR WITH CADPAT/LWCC WILL ALSO BE
PROMULGATED IN DUE COURSE
4. IN THE INTERIM, AS AN OPTIONAL MEASURE, NAVY PERSONNEL WHO SO
WISH, ARE AUTHORIZED TO ACQUIRE AND WEAR, AT NO COST TO THE CROWN, A
CREW NECK TEE SHIRT WITHOUT LOGOS, JET BLACK IN COLOUR, 75 PERCENT
COTTON (PLUS/MINUS 5 PERCENT) / 25 PERCENT POLYESTER (PLUS/MINUS 5
PERCENT)

 

[Sub_Guy]

So when the black one becomes available the white one will have to go?  Sounds like fun!  I imagine it is going to get pretty hot working down south or in the Gulf wearing the black t-shirt under the NCD shirt.

 

[jollyjacktar]

I don't agree totally with you on that one DH.  It's already hot down south anyhow, a bit of black showing won't make too my difference overall I think.  I am happy to see white going out the door, it is a bloody stupid colour to have on a ship especially the Tanker.  Hard to keep looking respectible shiny white, black is a better colour to go with.

 

[Springroll]

For those personnel in MARPAC (West Coast), MARPACGEN 005/08 DRESS INSTRUCTION UPDATE is very clear. Para 13 reads a follows:


13. ORDERS OF DRESS:
A. NAVAL COMBAT DRESS:
(1) NAVY - WHITE TEE SHIRTS ONLY MAY BE VISIBLE AT THE NECK UNTIL
BLACK ONES BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH LOGISTIK

This was exactly what I read, but what didn't make sense is that the white one's are not even available on Logistik, why would we have to wait until the black one's are available? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the same "no logo's etc" rules apply to the black ones as they do for the white ones?