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Sooooo. How soon can the US pull some M1's out of the Norwegian tunnels and park them in Poland (while the 250 or so M1's Poland wants are shipped over as time passes - and the parked ones returned to storage)? Then Poland can send it's Leo's to Ukraine with no risk of a Belorussian/Russian attack during the transition (which could take a couple of years to complete).

I am assuming there are already UA tankers in conversion training in Leo countries and Polish ones on the M1.

If not, why the hell not? This need and solution has been known for months!
 
FJAG said:
The same information from Al Jazeera



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Maybe the US should send a SQN of M60 tanks just to pull the rug out from under Sholtz's condition. They could head up to the northern border near Belarus where they are far less likely to get used.
 
Skysix said:
Sooooo. How soon can the US pull some M1's out of the Norwegian tunnels and park them in Poland (while the 250 or so M1's Poland wants are shipped over as time passes - and the parked ones returned to storage)? Then Poland can send it's Leo's to Ukraine with no risk of a Belorussian/Russian attack during the transition (which could take a couple of years to complete).

I am assuming there are already UA tankers in conversion training in Leo countries and Polish ones on the M1.

If not, why the hell not? This need and solution has been known for months!
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I believe the US has some forces stationed in Poland now, no? Some of the force reposting during the Trump years had US forces pull out of Germany, and re-establish themselves in Poland - or there was quite a bit of discussion about that anyway?


Agreed. Give them some Abrams on loan until theirs are shipped over, and have some US tank crews in country to assist with training & maintenance. (Use the same trick the Russians did in Syria, essentially)

Even without any immediate US assistance, I imagine Poland would would slap the stupid right out of Belarus, and their role ad a distraction would be short lived...
 
KevinB said:
2015 article - from back when the USMC cared about tanks...
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Yeah - so why not transfer to Poland all the USMC tanks they are divesting/mothballing/scrapping anyway. Save shipping back to storage in NorCal or wherever.
 
Skysix said:
Yeah - so why not transfer to Poland all the USMC tanks they are divesting/mothballing/scrapping anyway. Save shipping back to storage in NorCal or wherever.
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Those are older M1A1's, they need to go back to Lima OH and get rebuilt.
Furthermore, I don't think we have supplied any DU armored tanks as export.

From Wiki - but jives with what I know.

  • M1A2 (Baseline): Production began in 1992 and initial operating capability achieved in 1993.[130] (77 built for the U.S. and more than 600 M1s upgraded to M1A2, 315 for Saudi Arabia, 1,005 for Egypt, 218 for Kuwait). The M1A2 offers the tank commander an independent thermal sight and ability to, in rapid sequence, shoot at two targets without the need to acquire each one sequentially, also second generation depleted uranium armor components.[131]
    • M1A2 SEP (System Enhancement Package): Is fitted with new, second-generation gunner's thermal sight.[132] Has upgraded third-generation depleted uranium armor components with graphite coating (240 new built, 300 M1A2s upgraded to M1A2 SEP for the US, also unknown numbers of upgraded basic M1s and M1IPs, also 400 oldest M1A1s upgraded to M1A2 SEP).
    • M1A2S (Saudi Package): Saudi Arabian variant upgrade of the M1A2 based on M1A2 SEP, with some features, such as depleted uranium armor, believed to be missing and replaced by special armor. (442 M1A2s upgraded to M1A2S).[133][134]
    • M1A2 SEPv2: Added Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station as standard, color displays, improved interfaces, a new operating system, improved front and side armor with ERA (TUSK kit), tank-infantry phone as standard, and an upgraded transmission for better durability.[citation needed]
    • M1A2 SEPv3 (formerly M1A2C): Has increased power generation and distribution, better communications and networking, new Vehicle Health Management System (VHMS) and Line Replaceable Modules (LRMs) for improved maintenance, an Ammunition DataLink (ADL) to use airburstrounds, improved counter-IED armor package, improved FLIR using long- and mid-wave infrared, a low-profile CROWS RWS, Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP),[135] and an Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) under armor to run electronics while stationary instead of the engine, visually distinguishing the version by a small exhaust at the left rear. More passive ballistic protection added to the turret faces, along with new Explosive Reactive Armor mountings (Abrams Reactive Armor Tile (ARAT))[136] and Trophy Active Protection systems added to the turret sides. Prototypes began testing in 2015,[137] and the first were delivered in October 2017.[138] The first unit received them in July 2020.[citation needed]
      • M1A2T: Special configuration variant of the M1A2 SEPv3 reportedly being offered for sale to Taiwan as of March 2019 and approved by US State Department as of July 2019.[139] Per DSCA statement, it is roughly equivalent to M1A2 SEPv3, except depleted uranium armor is replaced by FMS export armor. There is no mention of the Trophy APS system. The new-built tanks will be produced at Anniston Army Depot, Anniston, Alabama, and the Joint Systems Manufacturing Center, Lima, Ohio.[140][141]
    • M1A2 SEPv4 (formerly M1A2D): Under development as of 29 March 2022.[142] The Commander's Primary Sight, also known as the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer, and Gunner's Primary Sight will be upgraded with third Gen FLIR, an improved laser rangefinder and color cameras. Additional improvements will include advanced meteorological sensors, laser warning/detection receivers, directional smoke grenade launchers and integration of the new XM1147 advanced multi-purpose [sv] (AMP) 120mm tank round.[143][144][145][146] The AN/VVR-4 laser warning receiver and ROSY rapid obscurant system have been trialed by the US Army for adoption on the Abrams tank and Bradley fighting vehicle.[147][148][149]
    • M1A2-K: Under development, unique variant for the Kuwaiti Army, slated to replace Kuwait's current M1A2 fleet.[150]
 
MilEME09 said:
Counter point

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617235282075566082
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Oof yeah that one tweet(from the account I shared) at the end of her thread looks pretty bad.

For me, two elements made it (the German defense) non-credible:

1. Scholz' ridiculous demand that the US provide Abrams. (When did Germany become the manager of Ukraine's procurement??)
2. The Baltic Foreign ministers' joint statement.
 
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