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A Czech-made RM-70 multiple launch rocket system has been spotted in Ukraine. RM-70 MLRS have been produced in Czechoslovakia since 1972. The RM-70 can be considered an analogue of the Soviet Grad MLRS, but the system has a number of distinct advantages. For example, it has greater cross-country ability and is able to hit targets at a greater distance. Until now, about fifty such MLRS remained in the Czech Republic, most of them were decommissioned and were in storage.

The Tatra 813 has the most off-road capability of any of the heavy 8x8x8 trucks. The downside is the air-cooled 17.6L multifuel-hog only has 730 ft.lbf of torque (266hp) from the factory.
 

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... and for the utterly out of touch with reality crowd...
To put this into context, it appears a senior member of the majority party in the Duma said via Telegram (a UAE-based Twitter of sorts) it's time to Un-nazi-ize Poland ....
"By its statements about Russia as a 'cancer tumor' and about the 'indemnity' that we must pay to Ukraine, Poland encourages us to put it in first place in the queue for denazification after Ukraine,"
That's like the House Majority Leader saying "X" - significant having a senior ruling party person saying it, but not the same as the House itself saying "X".
More on this ....

Meanwhile, USA government-funded fact checking is sorting out the Wali narrative ....
 

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A Czech-made RM-70 multiple launch rocket system has been spotted in Ukraine. RM-70 MLRS have been produced in Czechoslovakia since 1972. The RM-70 can be considered an analogue of the Soviet Grad MLRS, but the system has a number of distinct advantages. For example, it has greater cross-country ability and is able to hit targets at a greater distance. Until now, about fifty such MLRS remained in the Czech Republic, most of them were decommissioned and were in storage.

Does it have those knock-off tires that keep failing?
 

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"Czech-made?"....and spotted in Ukraine??

So another country that thinks you folks are clowns are supplying the Ukranian people also.?

So many countries left to retake, so few weapons left....
 

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A Czech-made RM-70 multiple launch rocket system has been spotted in Ukraine. RM-70 MLRS have been produced in Czechoslovakia since 1972. The RM-70 can be considered an analogue of the Soviet Grad MLRS, but the system has a number of distinct advantages. For example, it has greater cross-country ability and is able to hit targets at a greater distance. Until now, about fifty such MLRS remained in the Czech Republic, most of them were decommissioned and were in storage.

See @Soldier35, NATO makes some pretty decent kit!
 

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Their propaganda is working in various parts of the world.

Is it though? Really?

If I look at that scatter diagram I see the broadest range in Indian English and South African, also an English speaking community. That might suggest a Lanchester Strategy of indirectly targeting the "Anglo-Sphere" led West. That would encompass the US and the UK, ABCANZUS generally, but also all those other countries where English is a working language - and that includes much of the EU and East Asia.

The Hindi, Tamil, Farsi etc might just be leakage from the English messaging. Given that the Tamil tweets are similar in size to the Hindi tweets, when I would have expected there to be a lot more Hindus than Tamils, seems a bit odd to me.
 

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That might suggest a Lanchester Strategy of indirectly targeting the "Anglo-Sphere" led West.
More likely it reflects a strategy of regional targeting. Russia is re-engaging those disaffected communities that served as its Cold War proxies. They are making appeals to hypocrisy using false analogies. The US & UK are not going to change their positions on the war. Russia will still engage these western Anglo communities with disinformation, but the real goal is to build support (or more importantly to undermine support) in South Asia, Africa, and Latin America. When they succeed in those regions, it gives them markets to circumvent sanctions and it gives them less opposition in global forums such as the UN. India’s relative acquiescence of Russia’s behaviour would suggest this regional targeting is paying benefits.

The Hindi, Tamil, Farsi etc might just be leakage from the English messaging.
You seem to be assuming these messages (and their amplification) are organic.
 

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More likely it reflects a strategy of regional targeting. Russia is re-engaging those disaffected communities that served as its Cold War proxies. They are making appeals to hypocrisy using false analogies. The US & UK are not going to change their positions on the war. Russia will still engage these western Anglo communities with disinformation, but the real goal is to build support (or more importantly to undermine support) in South Asia, Africa, and Latin America. When they succeed in those regions, it gives them markets to circumvent sanctions and it gives them less opposition in global forums such as the UN. India’s relative acquiescence of Russia’s behaviour would suggest this regional targeting is paying benefits.


You seem to be assuming these messages (and their amplification) are organic.

You're right. But... :p

Another possibility

The US and the UK positions could be undermined though, as could the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand ones, through appeals to the anti-colonialists, socialists and isolationists in the domestic populations. Even if it doesn't stop shipments to Ukraine it may limit them and continue to prevent boots on the ground and a no-fly zone. For example.

And yes, my assumptions can be all wrong.
 

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... The Hindi, Tamil, Farsi etc might just be leakage from the English messaging. Given that the Tamil tweets are similar in size to the Hindi tweets, when I would have expected there to be a lot more Hindus than Tamils, seems a bit odd to me.
Here's the full Economist's article (via archived link). The analysis is based on # of posts, not length - and the article suggests that some change in position happens with this stuff.

Also, here's some recent coverage from The Atlantic suggesting it's all targeted in that direction, not spillage.
 

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Turkey: NATO's bi-polar ally ....
 

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Turkey: NATO's bi-polar ally ....

Its kind of hard to blame Turkey if you consider the way the EU has treated them. The Europeans still don't know if they are Europeans or Asiatics. And they response varies from country to country and by the governments of the day.

I like the quote I just saw recently. "If you want to have a friend, be a friend." And friendship develops through thick and thin. The Turks don't get much consideration. Can we blame them if the adopt the prevailing view that nations don't have friends, they have interests?
 

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A French view on Macronism.


There’s a peculiarly French way of getting important decisions wrong, and it’s best described by a very British expression the likes of Emmanuel Macron cannot see the point of, “too clever by half”. It’s all about finessing power play and triangulating self-interest; replacing simple words like “honour”, “right” and “wrong” by sophisticated calculations which we call “realism”.

Yesterday, Volodymyr Zelensky called the French president flat out on it on the national Italian broadcaster, RAI. Macron’s endless negotiations and eagerness to allow Russia to “save face” were “in vain”. “Ukraine is not ready to sacrifice territory and sovereignty. This is a waste of time.”

Faced with the predictable social media outcry, Élysée notables backtracked. “The French President has never ever discussed anything with VVP without President Zelensky’s consent and has never asked him for any concession. He has always said that it was up to the Ukrainians to decide the terms of their negotiations with the Russians,” tweeted both Anne-Sophie Bradelle from her official presidency account, and the Foreign Ministry political director Philippe Errera in the exact same words.


We’ll probably never get to the bottom of this particular instance, but the general line is perfectly consistent with France’s position as defended by her foremost diplomats and generals – types that almost never take a stance without checking it with their hierarchies. Only last week, I was debating General Vincent Desportes, a former head of the prestigious École de Guerre, who was piously calling for an immediate ceasefire “so that people won’t suffer” – unwilling to admit that this would result in leaving large chunks of the Ukrainian Black sea coast and the Donbas, including Mariupol and Kherson, in the hand of an occupier capable of executions, mass deportations, and worse.

I long defended Macron’s approach to Putin. Seeking to keep channels open, in early February, and again two days after the beginning of the Russian attack, seemed sensible, even necessary. At that stage even my Ukrainian friends in Kyiv and Odessa did not believe that the Russians meant to wage a war of total conquest and annihilation of their country’s identity.

But now my President’s continued equivocation is unforgivable. Macron should shut up. Just add up his latest statements. No EU membership for Ukraine for decades. No NATO membership for Kyiv either. Repeated warnings not to humiliate Russia. All this plays in the hands of Putin and no-one else. Recall that back in 2019, Macron was waxing rhapsodic on Russia as “a true European nation, heir to the Enlightenment” – a notion that applied in its time to Turgenev and Chekhov, not to Vladimir today.

Look at Macron’s latest project, the “multi-tier EU” (or EU-lite) for those European countries that France and Germany disapprove of. That thing doesn’t exist, isn’t financed, has no known shape and hasn’t been agreed by anyone except a Macron-called “Conference for the Future of Europe” in which citizens drawn by lots were invited to provide “unmediated” public opinion, which somehow would be truer.

Macron’s entire education, like that of most French elites, has taught him to respect strength and power, not courage. It’s the ethos of the civil service that shaped him, and it’s simple defeatism.

It’s infected parts of Europe, too: there’s an Axis of Munichois whiff over Macron and Scholz. (At least France hasn’t insulted her Ukrainian ambassador, as German politicians routinely do, calling the brave Andrey Melnik “crass.”) But in effect, their weasel words, like “reasonable”, “sensible”, “practical”...only mean selfish surrender.

She might consider referencing Vichy-soise.
 
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