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So a few images of Russian mobile ICBM launchers have started circulation around the net. Given the high alert status it makes sense these would be mobile right now.

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I only know Bill Ackman from his running of Pershing Sq Capital and have no idea of his political leanings but he's just come out saying that the US needs to go into Ukraine and defend Ukraine.

When the big money guys are openly saying, 'we don't care about the total market uncertainty that this will bring, that it might just throw the US into a recession and the markets might crash' , it should be taken seriously.

Bill Ackman says it’s time for U.S. troops to defend Ukraine and set a ‘real red line’​


“I hope Russia stops this onslaught, but I don’t see how Putin saves face. We need to be prepared for what comes next which means we need to start thinking about intervening military,” Ackman said in the Twitter thread.
“We can’t sit back and allow hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and perhaps millions to die. I don’t want to live in that world and you don’t either. @POTUS, it is in your hands. You can fix the errors of the past and protect our future. With all due respect Mr. President, the time is now,” Ackman said.

 

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Further to my point about knowing the Naughty List.
I think this will have a major effect on how many folks look at the UNGA vote today.

Other than Belarus, nearly everyone else who previously supported Putin has stepped back.

Brazil's #2 went so far as to call for force to eject Russia from the Ukraine
Cuba has rebuked Russia
China has instituted some sanctions.
Argentina has called on Russia to end the action in the Ukraine (and Fernandez apparently was too soft as he's taking it to the head domestically now from that).
Even Venezuela who had two weeks ago pledged a new and powerful alliance with Russia is now calling for and end to Russian hostilities and a return to diplomacy.
 

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Further to my point about knowing the Naughty List.
I think this will have a major effect on how many folks look at the UNGA vote today.

Other than Belarus, nearly everyone else who previously supported Putin has stepped back.

Brazil's #2 went so far as to call for force to eject Russia from the Ukraine
Cuba has rebuked Russia
China has instituted some sanctions.
Argentina has called on Russia to end the action in the Ukraine (and Fernandez apparently was too soft as he's taking it to the head domestically now from that).
Even Venezuela who had two weeks ago pledged a new and powerful alliance with Russia is now calling for and end to Russian hostilities and a return to diplomacy.
If they get a vote in the GA for action with a 2/3 majority, Russia can't veto it in the SC.
 

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Further to my point about knowing the Naughty List.
I think this will have a major effect on how many folks look at the UNGA vote today.

Other than Belarus, nearly everyone else who previously supported Putin has stepped back.

Brazil's #2 went so far as to call for force to eject Russia from the Ukraine
Cuba has rebuked Russia
China has instituted some sanctions.
Argentina has called on Russia to end the action in the Ukraine (and Fernandez apparently was too soft as he's taking it to the head domestically now from that).
Even Venezuela who had two weeks ago pledged a new and powerful alliance with Russia is now calling for and end to Russian hostilities and a return to diplomacy.
Pakistan - Pakistan will stand by them.
 

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Anyone else notice that Germany's announcement over the weekend that they are stepping up military spending and are now publicly committing to honour the 2% pledge is getting ZERO coverage here in Canada? Nothing mentioned by any of the mainstream media, no similar calls for Canada to finally start honouring its previously announced commitment as well. And people say that the Canadian media is not in the pockets of a certain political party - stuff like this certainly doesn't help.
I'd like the government to set out concrete priorities and a mission for the CAF. We either stay put and defend the homeland or be able to meaningfully contribute to NATO with planes and boats. Time to have a serious look at the purpose of our Armed Forces.
 

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Pakistan - Pakistan will stand by them.
I think Pakistan can do the math.
Angering NATO that already knows it put Pakistani SF and ISI into Afghanistan to fight when Western Troops where still on the ground is just asking for that scab to come off.

When Russia is falling, I think the Pakistani's will sit and watch, China is a better partner for them at this time.
 

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Two things as I have noted elsewhere for unless you have an Ukrainian background the current war might as well be happening on another planet. As KevinB put it, we're at the Mall not the Wall..
And my second point that Remius.raised about about Russians complaining about.protests and the safety of their diplomats.
I would not be too surprised if someone from our diplomatic staff over there got himself a semi official beat down with officially profound apologies of course.
I currently live in Ireland and the news here is entirely wall to wall Ukraine, is it not so on Canadian TV? Though, admittedly I had to explain to my mom and sisters, why London Ontario, KW and Kingston (where they live) may be strategic targets for the Russians, so I guess Canadians have no clue and think this cannot impact them. I do not have a Ukrainian background, but I have a friend from militia artillery days, who has retired to Ukraine, so I may have been following this closely. He was, thankfully out of country at the time, but his wife was in Kyiv. Luckily she was able to get to Poland, and I was able to arrange a place to stay for her, through some work connections.

To your second point, Putin is a child... FFS, threatening other countries over hurt feelings?

Sorry if the above is a bit disjointed.
 

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It seems like RUS is fighting mainly during the day, no NVG for the average grunt it would appear. Although it is early and I suspect that'll be different for units coming in later on.
 

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In these times, we must do our best to find the humour in some things...it helps keep us sane.

I can just see Saint Javelina yelling "YEEEETTTTT!" as she launches.
 

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"Our army is fighting in such a way that NATO should apply for entry into Ukraine."


Strange times.

A more credible contribution:

 

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Trudeau lives in his own world. If Saudi Arabia is supporting Russia for their own interests, then Canada should stop buying oil from that country. But we won't. Too bad Quebec runs Canada- no pipeline redirection for Western Canada "dirty" oil.
 

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I am surprised that Turkey is not taking advantage of this to push in Syria, there is no way for Russia to reinforce them currently.
 

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Trudeau lives in his own world. If Saudi Arabia is supporting Russia for their own interests, then Canada should stop buying oil from that country. But we won't. Too bad Quebec runs Canada- no pipeline redirection for Western Canada "dirty" oil.
It is called leadership. By definition, a leader is a person who leads. Trudeau is a follower. For all his bombastic rhetoric he simply tells people what he thinks they want to hear so as to curry favour (and votes). Thus we are always one or two steps behind as action is not possible until we determine the direction in which the herd is running.
 
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