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Here's an article from Douglas L. Bland in the Ottawa Citizen

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawa....html?id=2010c79c-631e-49c1-b152-45222c75bcd6

Time to pay the bill

The military has been under-funded and over-stretched for too long, and now we're suffering the consequences
Douglas Bland
Citizen Special

KINGSTON - The Queen's University study, "Canada without Armed Forces,'' released in December 2003, forecast a gathering foreign policy crisis caused by Canada's failing defence capabilities. That crisis was evident during media interviews in the United States when Prime Minister Paul Martin reportedly told a frustrated American reporter that Canada could not send troops to Iraq because "Our troops are stretched very, very thin." It was also evident when the prime minster demanded that the United Nations do something about the humanitarian disaster in Sudan, but could offer no military units to help defeat the disaster he denounced.

Canadian troops and ships and aircraft are "stretched" because they have been asked to do too much with too little. But the stretch is not merely the result of over-employment, it comes from miserly investments in military capabilities since at least 1987. Canadian foreign policy has been living on credit and the skill and courage of members of the Canadian Forces who are asked "to do more with less." Now the bill is due. The crisis for the government is that when military capabilities are needed to act in this hostile world, Canada's foreign policy is disarmed.

The government's dilemma is stark. Even if the cabinet agreed to pump billions of dollars into defence policy immediately (and that is what will be needed), the crash in essential, basic military capabilities cannot be avoided and foreign policy must suffer.

Recently, Vice-Admiral Ron Buck candidly illustrated this fact of life to the Senate Committee on National Defence and Security, when he explained that the Canadian Forces could not produce the 5,000 new troops the government had promised during the election campaign as its central initiative for national defence. The problem is caused not just by the lack of funds, but also by the lack of facilities, equipment and leaders to train the new force. Getting from 60,000 people to 65,000 will, according to Vice-Admiral Buck, take five or more years and the clock is ticking while little of substance is being done.

Take any major projects and the predictions are the same. The new maritime helicopter fleet announced by the government earlier this year will not come into service for eight to 10 years, depending on whose counting you accept. Seen another way, the crews who will meet these new aircraft when they become operational are still in primary school. The same is true for new support ships, armour vehicles, transport aircraft and logistics equipment, if and when the government decides to purchase them. Even if the Canadian Forces could recruit, train and deploy 5,000 more people in a year or two, these new warriors likely would find themselves armed with failing equipment and without experienced leaders as the overworked ranks are depleted by retirements and casualties.

The government is struggling to advance a credible foreign policy with limited armed forces and will have to do so during the long interval between now and when -- if ever -- the Canadian Forces are reconstituted.

One unhappy solution might be to just spend soldiers' lives to make up for lack of numbers -- over-stretch and do more with less as policy. Another idea is to take a two or three-year "pause" in operational deployments -- now undeclared but underway -- and hope that new, serious international events will not upset this period of renewal. Unfortunately, the world keeps spinning and sudden conflicts and crises as in Sudan, Haiti and who knows where else will arrive before the reconstruction of the armed forces can possibly be completed.

Of course, interrupting the reconstitution period for whatever reason makes everything worse.

The government could also simply decide that the Canadian Forces are not as important to foreign policy as they have been in the past. Indeed, this seems to be the policy the government has adopted. Canada apparently will use other means -- public administrators here and there, judges to Vietnam, small training team to Africa, and unprotected election monitors for Iraq and Ukraine -- leaving the really troubled places to others. These initiatives are worthy and necessary, but when allies are looking not just for money and soft power, but for deposits in blood to match their own sacrifices, Canada will be out of sight and out of mind.

The Canadian Forces are almost disarmed and there is not much that the government can do, even in the medium term, to avert the consequences. Leaders can only watch the nation's steady decline in foreign policy importance as Canada's place at the table in the councils of the strong is taken by someone else. Ironically, Canada has long campaigned for more influence in the United Nations Security Council, and just as the idea for expansion of the council takes flight, Canada's self-imposed weaknesses will ensure that we don't advance past the first cut.

The defence review now underway inside defence headquarters, however, provides the government with a chance to take bold steps to begin to redress this crisis.

As a first step, the government might acknowledge the seriousness of the problem and declare that the Canadian Forces are not merely stretched, but in rapid technological and organizational decline. Then political leaders ought to forthrightly explain to Canadians why the nation must invest considerable funds to rebuild the Canadian Forces and the costs of not doing so. The defence minister should then take personal charge and present to Parliament not a review, but a defence policy that lays out a fully funded, coherent seven- or eight-year program to reconstitute the Canadian Forces.

In the meantime, the prime minister (and the next one as well) will have to manage Canada's international interests and place in the world as adroitly as he can with increasingly limited and diminished armed forces and a necessarily soft foreign policy.

Douglas Bland is chairman of the Defence Management Studies Program at the School of Policy Studies at Queen's University.

I think it's more than time to put cash in MND, but will the Government have enough political will? We are talking about billions of dollars needed now. Hmm, what now?

Bland's perspective is very instructive, anyone would share their thought? Bring positive solutions. I sense Canadians and Fed Government isn't ready to inject billions now. It hadn't hurt enough. When will they do something before it hurts alot? Or envision what's needed.

For my part, I'd say more cash, lighten all bureaucracies inside MDN. I would suggest, bring the whole Dept. on military side, but I do know it's not possible in the medium term. What a cash save. Have a PM with leadership is a solution that doesn't need cash. Else, I agree with Bland and let you the mic.

Cheers,
 
Agreed, trim a lot of the fat on the paper side of the military.  However, where would this money come from anyway?  I am all for more money for the military and wish it would be pumped in ASAP, but where does it come out of?  If the government wouldn't "lose" certain funds there would be more for sure, but I think we're looking at what would need to be cut back.  Social programs would need to be stretched and looked upon as what is vital and what is extra.  Such things as educational funding for Universities, and whatever else is not deemed "vital" in the accountants mind. 

This would lead to a riot in Canada.  While the CF needs the money, needs the support, and need the government to finally come to its senses in realizing that the CF is crumbling from the inside...I just don't see how it will all happen before a crisis erupts.  Canadian soldiers are either going to die, or a major event within or without Canada is going to happen and then Ottawa will be running to do damage control and fix what has happened.  Maybe over Christmas Paul Martin will be visited by 3 ghosts and become a changed man...stranger things have happened.
 
Canadian.Trucker said:
... Maybe over Christmas Paul Martin will be visited by 3 ghosts and become a changed man...stranger things have happened.

Well, after all ... Canada's Prime Minister is spending Christmas in ... Morocco ... and won't set foot back in Canada until January 23rd ... (geez - he seems to be taking this lack of NHL hockey badly, eh?)
 
Sad thing is, if this is true then even if a major terrorist attack occurs on Canadian soil and the government allocates the money, it'll take us 5 years or more to get the military back into propper shape and train more troops.  Although I think the 5 year projection for training soldiers is crap.  There's plenty of reservists who'd be more than happy to accept a class B year-round contract to instruct on courses, and I'm sure the regs have lots of good corporals and master corporals who are experienced and competent but cannot be promoted past their present rank because of a lack of positions.  Promote them and make them instructors.  You'll be needing more Master Corporals and Sargents once those troops are trained anyway.  As for the fascilities, it wouldn't cost much to errect a few modular buildings in Meaford to house troops, meaning you could easily train 2000+ soldiers a year on that base alone.  Might be a little tight, but there's no reason why it couldn't be done.  Ofcourse, finding places to put them after they've been trained might be a bit of a problem, but then again if we're planning on stepping up deployments that should free up some room in the shacks.  The biggest problem would be funding for to pay and equip those soldiers.  Just the pay for 5000 soldiers would be something along the lines of $175 million a year.  Training them all to SQ level would cost another $100 million.  Their personal kit would be around $15 million.  Getting the vehicles and weapons to support them...getting more ammunition for training....training the extra NCO's and officers to lead them....yeah there's a heck of a lot of cost associated.  If you figure that those 5000 represent an 8% increase in the size of the military, it's pretty safe to assume you'd need at least a 4% increase in the budget.  That's a minimum of $520 million a year.  Probably double that, for the first few years.  And even that much of an increase would leave us just as underequipped as we are now, but with 5000 more soldiers.  Really makes you wonder what the politicians are smoking if they expect us to do it on our current budget.
 
bossi said:
Well, after all ... Canada's Prime Minister is spending Christmas in ... Morocco ... and won't set foot back in Canada until January 23rd ... (geez - he seems to be taking this lack of NHL hockey badly, eh?)
Morocco?
Ah I get it reliving his youth,The Marrakesh Express. ;)
 
bossi said:
Well, after all ... Canada's Prime Minister is spending Christmas in ... Morocco ... and won't set foot back in Canada until January 23rd ... (geez - he seems to be taking this lack of NHL hockey badly, eh?)

Yes, and a quick, wholly unnecessary, trip to visit Colonel Gaddafi means that the transportation to and from Morocco for him, family, hangers-on, etc is all at public expense.   Neat, eh?

 
As long as Ontario keeps electing those damn Liberals, this problem will never go away.,   It is a well known fact that the Liberal party is anti-military, has been forever and will continue to be.   There is plenty of money in the government coffers to fully restore the military, they just choose to spend it on themselves and cronies.   Just look around at the wasted money, AD-scam, government junkets all over the world, funding the most ridiculous artistic endeavours (nothing against the arts, but let them find there own funding), $40 million for flags for everyone, and I'm just getting started.   I think any thinking individual knows of the waste that this government does.   You want a strong military ( I do), then get rid of a government that doesn't have any use for the military.   Next election, and I hope it is soon, look at the parties running and vote in the one that supports the military.
 
I suprised nobodys mentioned the jumbo sized budget surplus's we keep having.  If they aren't going to give tax cuts then at least put it somewhere it's needed more then the national debt.
 
Anyone ever wonder why we need a 1-4 ratio of civilian DND staff to uniformed pers?

Effect Strength last I heard was around 53k, and last I heard DND had 20k + civilians coast-to-coast......

While I recognize there are a few thousand CANEX, Mess, PSP, etc staffers out there, thats still a lot of bureaucracy for 53 thousand full timers....

(even if you add in the reserves, its still a ridiculous ratio, IMO)
 
As I mentioned elsewhere some, indeed many of   those civilians are a lot more operational than are many, many uniformed folks.   Consider dockyard workers vs. pay clerks in NDHQ, for example - the former do something useful, important, skillful, etc.
 
To answer Can. Trucker, where would the money come out from? Like you, I think it's all a matter of priorities and the different Goverments move money from here to there. But, let's remember, I that's my personal comment ;) , that Canada is the 8th richest country in the world. We're managing 1,300 G$ GDP and that the Feds say that around 30-40 G$-surplus a year in the next five years are to be expected. I'm always wondering why Canadians accept all this whining from Govt. about not having enough money. Like we weren't one of the richest country in the world. So, it's not only a matter of money or money management between different Depts. There's also the context of this "peace dividend" they've been surfing on for a long time. This issue is more than about cash, it's about our security and about the global security around the world and Canada (as one of the richest country) has to be proactive in that field. I would be really sad if Govt. wait until a major terrorist attack, instead of being proactive and taking his reponsabilities in security. I'm sure too that there would be riot in Canada, but is the public really informed? Not brainwashed, but fairly informed and aware of what's standing above our head? We already know that the population is in favor for a more secure world, that means investing in that, because Canada is really under the NATO average in defence expense.

I wasn't aware of what available solutions in the CF to train more people. Highlander, you give me a good peek in. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure you're really near what will come from the defence review, between 250 M$ and 1G$ defence budget increase a year. And the CF will continue to cope with what they are asked to do, all that without saying nothing other than 'yes, sir'. It's a damn matter of respect, what the matter with having a healthy Armed forces? They aren't to invade any country, but to intervene when some terrorists, warlords, violent leaders, make trouble in a country AND that NATO or UN decided to intervene.

To answer npbra, if you look for the past 20 years, the Tories haven't been better than the Liberals. They aren't against the military, they are for being reelected. And the population isn't aware of what's coming on for CF and what could happen in Canada. Canada is a PEACEFUL country. But nothing says this will stay the same. And, I wouldn't say the senior officials are crashing billions of dollars on futile visits or anything they can spend on. Still, let's think about that, if Canada (here Govt. and tax payers) wouldn't be so eager to hide cash under the pillow by letting companies hide cash in Antille Islands AND to make false tax declarations year after year, I wonder what much more money Canada would have to fund our Universities, our hospitals, our Defence, our poorest peoples. I wonder.

After all that, please don't get me wrong, I'm in the process of getting in to the Forces as an officer. I want a proactive policy and decision making process that will take care of these issues and of the health of the Forces in order to keep doing the best job they are asked to do. Will Canada be up to what he claims? To be seen.
 
Problem is, the typical Canadian figures the only people who would invade us are the Americans, and as such, its impossible for us to ever defend against them, so why bother?  Had this discussion last night with one of my employers.

*sigh*
 
There is another bill to be paid...the National Debt to the world bank. Canada pays about 40% of our yearly income to the world bank for a debt of about 8 trillion dollars, you start paying that off and you have more money to spend. There is also foreign aid.  How much did we spend in foreign aid last year? Just a couple of other things to think about.

SHARP WO
 
Meridian said:
Problem is, the typical Canadian figures the only people who would invade us are the Americans, and as such, its impossible for us to ever defend against them, so why bother?   Had this discussion last night with one of my employers.

*sigh*

Canadians fear being invaded? Is Canada not the peacefullest country in the world? I think defence is not a big issue for Canadians because the last war on our territory was back in 1815. Contrary to the Europeans or Americans, who had either had war on their territory recently or are close to threats, or that war is part of their culture, history and birth (Americans). I think of Americans the best worse or worse best friends of the world, hehe.

SHARP WO said:
There is another bill to be paid...the National Debt to the world bank. Canada pays about 40% of our yearly income to the world bank for a debt of about 8 trillion dollars, you start paying that off and you have more money to spend. There is also foreign aid.  How much did we spend in foreign aid last year? Just a couple of other things to think about.

SHARP WO

I'll give you some figures: National debt is 508 G$ and the 2004 Budget gave 2,9% of our budget to pay the debt or 35,8 G$. The National debt is now 42% of our yearly income. The Fed want to take it back to 25% which is very healthy. And yes, it's true we'll have more to spend after. Foreign aid is around 0,73% of our yearly budget.
 
MdB said:
Canadians fear being invaded? Is Canada not the peacefullest country in the world? I think defence is not a big issue for Canadians because the last war on our territory was back in 1815. Contrary to the Europeans or Americans, who had either had war on their territory recently or are close to threats, or that war is part of their culture, history and birth (Americans). I think of Americans the best worse or worse best friends of the world, hehe.

When Osama Bin Laden was become increasingly visable in teh public eye, he released a list of 6 countries, Canada was on it. It was a list of the 6 top countries to attack.  Thus far, 5/6 have been attacked, geuse who is the 6th? We can only ride our peacefull nature so far, untill someone takes advantage of our lack of defense.
 
Ive never heard of the World Bank figures you are speaking of.

Also, much of Canada's debt is internal. Meaning we owe it to ourselves. (Ie Canada borrows from banks. Canada Savings Bonds, etc).

I believe Martin talked the other day how they have reduced foreign-owned Canadian debt to under 30% or something. Which is good.
 
Here is an interesting page on our national debt

http://www.amortization.com/national_debt.htm
 
MdB said:
To answer Can. Trucker, where would the money come out from? Like you, I think it's all a matter of priorities and the different Goverments move money from here to there. But, let's remember, I that's my personal comment ;) , that Canada is the 8th richest country in the world. We're managing 1,300 G$ GDP and that the Feds say that around 30-40 G$-surplus a year in the next five years are to be expected. I'm always wondering why Canadians accept all this whining from Govt. about not having enough money. Like we weren't one of the richest country in the world. So, it's not only a matter of money or money management between different Depts. There's also the context of this "peace dividend" they've been surfing on for a long time. This issue is more than about cash, it's about our security and about the global security around the world and Canada (as one of the richest country) has to be proactive in that field. I would be really sad if Govt. wait until a major terrorist attack, instead of being proactive and taking his reponsabilities in security. I'm sure too that there would be riot in Canada, but is the public really informed? Not brainwashed, but fairly informed and aware of what's standing above our head? We already know that the population is in favor for a more secure world, that means investing in that, because Canada is really under the NATO average in defence expense.

I agree.  This is what I was trying to get at.  The government has some of the money if they would spend smarter, but a lot of it would have to come from cutting such things as unnecessary social programs.  I'm not talking about health care, I'm talking about the other stuff such as the amount of funding that goes into artistic endeavours etc.  And lets not also forget our Governor General, her budget could use a bit of a work over.

And yes, if the Canadian people were more informed about what was going on they would be pushing the government to take care of the CF more.  But as of now, they are quite ignorant.  Even myself at times, I don't realize what we are truly up against.  Just this weekend I was in a briefing with my CO and all the officers of the regiment, the word is not if there will be a terrorist attack but when.  We are stepping up training for our DRU guys so that when the shit hits the fan we are ready.  It concerns me that it may take such an attack to get the government and the Canadian people awake to what is truly going on in the world.
 
Here's a crazy suggestion, what if everyone in the CF, or going into the CF were to take it upon themselves to recruit just 2 people each, think about it, the CFRC's would be so overwhelmed that the Liberals would have to send more $$ CF's way. I'm thinking of spreading the good word myself, there are plenty of careers in the CF that are so similar to civvy careers why not try an convince people of this. Of course CF wages would have to increase if they want ANYONE to join. just a crazy thought i had

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aspiring_recruit said:
Here's a crazy suggestion, what if everyone in the CF, or going into the CF were to take it upon themselves to recruit just 2 people each, think about it, the CFRC's would be so overwhelmed that the Liberals would have to send more $$ CF's way. I'm thinking of spreading the good word myself, there are plenty of careers in the CF that are so similar to civvy careers why not try an convince people of this. Of course CF wages would have to increase if they want ANYONE to join. just a crazy thought i had

:cdn :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :cdn:

    Sorry, but it IS a crazy though.  The only thing that would happen is that the recruiters would have to start turning away more people.
 
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