The US Presidency 2020

[Jarnhamar]

Not very shocking that a politician will stage photos.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-photo-op-staged-walter-reed-b778464.html

Thats some Don't fuck with cats level of attention to detail right there lol

 

[Colin Parkinson]

" I'm not dead yet"

 

[OceanBonfire]

Unsurprisingly, he doesn't care about harming everyone/anyone around him back at the White House:

Trump, still infectious, back at White House -- without mask

...

"Don't be afraid of it," Trump said of the virus. "You’re going to beat it. We have the best medical equipment, we have the best medicines." His remarks were strong, but he was taking deeper breaths than usual as he delivered them.

...


https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-archive-d39bd670e8a280b6283abcdfc91d4794

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump/trump-set-to-go-home-to-a-white-house-hard-hit-by-coronavirus-idUSKBN26Q0CS

 

[Donald H]

That is my point.

If your two described above idiots can shut down business, then we are are in a perilous situation economically.

No deaths have been ascribed to the two idiots, no long term health care costs, no broad spread......................but ..........

5 bars shut down, unknown numbers of employees impacted, owners on the brink.

Some people will always do stupid things. Overreacting to it is bad as well. It gets attention and oftentimes results in political policy, not because it makes sense but because it quiets the baying mob.

Why are you always trolling for trouble Weinie? Remius put it to you exactly right on taking precautions against the virus and then you just turn to calling people idiots.

Is your anger so deep that you can't even tolerate another person's opinion?

  -600 sandbox points

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Fake News.

Everyone knows that Biden had Seal Team 6 killed.  President Trump said so himself:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/conspiracy-theory-baselessly-claims-biden-had-navy-seals-killed/

Conspiracy Theory Baselessly Claims Biden Had Navy SEALs Killed

A viral conspiracy theory spread across social media baselessly claims former Vice President Joe Biden “had SEAL Team 6 killed” as part of a cover-up after a purportedly failed assassination of Osama bin Laden. President Donald Trump shared the unfounded theory on Twitter.

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A baseless conspiracy theory peddled at a recent conservative political conference migrated to social media, spreading the outrageous claim that former Vice President Joe Biden allowed the killing of Navy SEALs as part of a massive scandal.

The unfounded theory has traveled across platforms, getting assistance on Twitter from President Donald Trump.

“Hiden Biden and Obama may have had SEAL Team 6 killed! EXPLOSIVE: CIA Whistleblower Exposes Biden’s Alleged Role with the Deaths of SEAL Team- Claims to have Documented Proof. RETWEET!!!” read a tweet amplified by the president.

The tweet linked to a story on a conservative commentary site about a supposed “whistleblower” who claims that former al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was not actually killed in May 2011, and that the Obama administration had to pay Iran billions of dollars — and kill off Navy SEALs — as part of a cover-up. The underlying theory to this false narrative of a botched bin Laden raid intertwines several real events: an attack on U.S. military members in 2011, the Benghazi terrorist attacks in 2012 and the Iran nuclear agreement in 2015.

Trump’s retweet itself became a part of the narrative for online conspiracy theorists, who viewed it as confirmatory. One popular post relayed that Trump “confirms” the “intel” that Biden “directly participated in a plot to have #SEALTeam6 MURDERED, then arranged a massive cash deal as part of a cover up.” Another said, “Trump KNOWS.”

In reality, neither Trump nor his administration has publicly offered any evidence supporting the wild tale behind the viral posts.

We reached out to Trump’s reelection campaign to ask what evidence there is to support such a theory, and we were referred to the White House for comment. The White House did not answer our inquiry.

The conspiracy theory was first aired during an American Priority conference, “AMP Fest,” held at Trump National Doral in Florida on Oct. 8-11, during a presentation by Nick Noe, a Trump supporter and Air Force veteran, and Charles Woods, the father of a former Navy SEAL killed in the Benghazi attacks.

The presentation featured a video of Noe and Woods with Alan Harrow Parrot. Parrot has described himself as a falconer who has worked in the Middle East; he has previously claimed he tried to convey the whereabouts of bin Laden to the Bush administration.

The claims made at AMP Fest were then pushed on social media by Anna Khait, a real estate agent and former “Survivor” contestant who has written for the conservative website the Epoch Times. In a viral YouTube video whose description hawks doomsday preparation supplies, she suggests that the U.S. should “hang them” when referring to former Obama administration officials she accuses of “treason.” The video has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

 

[QV]

Fake News.

Everyone knows that Biden had Seal Team 6 killed.  President Trump said so himself:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/conspiracy-theory-baselessly-claims-biden-had-navy-seals-killed/

This post should be deleted.  Its not necessary to drag your TDS into this thread.

 

[dimsum]

This post should be deleted.  Its not necessary to drag your TDS into this thread.

The thread is about the US Presidency.  It's not TDS if he actually shared it and then tried to defend sharing it.

https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/navy-seal-team-6-conspiracy-theory-trump-twitter

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The thread is about the US Presidency.  It's not TDS if he actually shared it and then tried to defend sharing it.

https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/navy-seal-team-6-conspiracy-theory-trump-twitter

Those 2 posts were brought in from the seal Team 6 thread and it was 100% in the wrong thread when it was posted.  I would have just deleted it but a nicer Mod then me put it here....
Bruce
https://army.ca/forums/threads/133201/post-1634095.html#msg1634095

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This post should be deleted.  Its not necessary to drag your TDS into this thread.

So the President of the United States retweets a bizarre conspiracy theory that his current political opponent had Seal Team 6 assassinated, and I am the deranged one?????

These would be laughable if not despicable antics in Kazakhstan et al.  Obviously in the US right now, it is just another day.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

ADMIN POST

Its here where it belongs so back to your corners both of you.
Bruce

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Like him or hate, I suspect you better get used to seeing him for another 4 years.

 

[brihard]

This post should be deleted.  Its not necessary to drag your TDS into this thread.

If he wants to use his massive social media podium to pump absurd conspiracy theories, referencing that is fair game. A sitting President accusing his electoral rival of having a special operations team murdered is noteworthy, if not particularly credible or flattering.

 

[Remius]

Like him or hate, I suspect you better get used to seeing him for another 4 years.

Or at least be prepared for that outcome.

It’s going to be a close one.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... A sitting President accusing his electoral rival of having a special operations team murdered is noteworthy, if not particularly credible or flattering.

C'mon, he didn't SAY it, he just shared something without endorsing it .... 

Like him or hate, I suspect you better get used to seeing him for another 4 years.

One way or another, agreed.

 

[QV]

If he wants to use his massive social media podium to pump absurd conspiracy theories, referencing that is fair game. A sitting President accusing his electoral rival of having a special operations team murdered is noteworthy, if not particularly credible or flattering.

You're late to the game. The mods swiftly corrected the issue and moved PPCLI Guy's post here.  The issue was he originally posted it in a thread about a US SOF hostage rescue, which could have derailed that thread unnecessarily.  By all means introduce all your Trump criticism here, you will have another 4 years worth to talk about.

 

[brihard]

Not as soon as Pence.

Should that come to pass it will be interesting to see how the courts rule on the ability of a president to pre-emptively pardon someone for alleged offences where there is not actually yet an indictment. Can a president issue a blanket pardon for any and all crimes that may have been committed by a person, without there being specifics? E.g., could Trump step down, and Pence give him a security blanket that would protect him from, for instance, the eventual fruits of criminal investigations into tax offences, as one plausible example? It will be interesting if things head that way.

 

[MilEME09]

Should that come to pass it will be interesting to see how the courts rule on the ability of a president to pre-emptively pardon someone for alleged offences where there is not actually yet an indictment. Can a president issue a blanket pardon for any and all crimes that may have been committed by a person, without there being specifics? E.g., could Trump step down, and Pence give him a security blanket that would protect him from, for instance, the eventual fruits of criminal investigations into tax offences, as one plausible example? It will be interesting if things head that way.

That would be the legal case of the century for sure. Russia has a similar sounding law coming in that if passed would give Vladimir Putin immunity for life.

 

[brihard]

That would be the legal case of the century for sure. Russia has a similar sounding law coming in that if passed would give Vladimir Putin immunity for life.

I'm pretty sure Vladimir Putin gives Vladimir Putin immunity for life...

 

[QV]

Should that come to pass it will be interesting to see how the courts rule on the ability of a president to pre-emptively pardon someone for alleged offences where there is not actually yet an indictment. Can a president issue a blanket pardon for any and all crimes that may have been committed by a person, without there being specifics? E.g., could Trump step down, and Pence give him a security blanket that would protect him from, for instance, the eventual fruits of criminal investigations into tax offences, as one plausible example? It will be interesting if things head that way.

Don't you think the special counsel would have uncovered something, anything, during that investigative free-for-all?

 

[brihard]

Don't you think the special counsel would have uncovered something, anything, during that investigative free-for-all?

The Muller investigation fell largely within certain arcs. Numerous other investigations are ongoing outside those arcs. The ones where he appears to be potentially facing the greatest jeopardy are in New York State and generally have to do with ...questionable... taxation related matters. There is also as of a couple of days ago an investigation under the Hatch act into his potentially illegal use of official premises for partisan campaign purposes.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/13/us/politics/trump-investigations.html

If you want to contend that he has done nothing legally wrong anywhere, go ahead and assert that claim and we'll see how it plays out. Implying that the Mueller investigation was the be all/end all into potential malfeasance by Trump in his business is of course absurd, because it barely touched those things.

As I said, we shall see what happens when he no longer enjoys the shield that is being the sitting president.