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"Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation

The RCN has its old rank titles and executive curl back. What should be the next step for the CF ra

  • Nothing. The current rank system works, so leave it alone.

    Votes: 118 58.1%
  • Complete return to the pre-unification ranks of the 50s and early 60s.

    Votes: 40 19.7%
  • Complete return to post unification ranks of the 70s and early 80s.

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Officers only return to the pre-unification ranks of the 50s and early 60s.

    Votes: 9 4.4%
  • Copy the UK rank system - it is the prototype anyway.

    Votes: 17 8.4%
  • Copy the US rank system - they are the new colonial master.

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • Create a whole new Canadian system.

    Votes: 8 3.9%
  • Lobby for standardized NATO rank insignia.

    Votes: 7 3.4%
  • Copy the French rank system - it is the other founding nation's turn

    Votes: 1 0.5%

  • Total voters
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New DND rule: All LtGen will have their own command tribal badge. Who will first to be voted the Nortel Campus?
 

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Excessive government spending on useless gimmicks? Sounds like Monty Python have already covered this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8
 

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The Maple Leaf, September 2013, Volume 16, Number 8

Ask the Defence Team

Question: Sir, I’ve noticed in several
documents the term Canadian
Armed Forces (CAF) being used
again. Have we gone back to CAF or are
will still the Canadian Forces (CF)?


Thank you to everyone who
submitted questions about the
name modification of our institution.
For those who may not be aware,
we are now using “Canadian Armed
Forces (CAF)” in the place of “Canadian
Forces (CF)” in many of our internal and
external communications products (for
example: News Releases, CANFORGENs,
correspondence, speeches, etc.). While
both names are quite accurate and
correct, in late October 2012, the
Government of Canada directed that the
Canadian Forces would, from that point,
be known as the Canadian Armed Forces.
Since then, we have taken the first
steps in implementing this government
direction; but much work remains to
defining the scope of this re-branding.

To provide a little context, and as several
of you noted in your messages to us,
the National Defence Act (NDA) is the
document which governs the official
naming of our institution. Specifically,
Part 2 of the NDA, The Canadian Forces
Constitution, Section 14, http://laws-lois.
justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/n-5/page-5.html#
h-10 notes: “The Canadian Forces are the
armed forces of Her Majesty raised by
Canada and consist of one Service called
the Canadian Armed Forces.” While subtle,
the distinction noted in the NDA between
the CF and CAF is, in some cases,
significant, and as a result we must
carefully analyze how we implement this
name change.

For now, we will use CAF in most of our
daily correspondence and communications.
We will also continue to use CF in
our orders and directives (QR&Os, DAODs,
etc.), and in formally established Unit and
position names (i.e. CFB, CFCWO, etc.)
until our analysis is complete and more
formal direction is issued by my office.

General Tom Lawson, CDS
 

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Eye In The Sky said:
I haven't heard anything about that but I did hear talk that we are going to be wearing a (now new) command badge again.

The old command badge (below) looks quite different than the Air Ops cap badge;  I don't think we'll change cap badges, just be issued a command badge again.

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Command badge as in the one worn on the breast pocket for instructors at St-Jean?  More bling?
 

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Dimsum said:
Command badge as in the one worn on the breast pocket for instructors at St-Jean?  More bling?

Instructors in St. Jean would wear the CMP Command Badge.
 

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Dimsum said:
Command badge as in the one worn on the breast pocket for instructors at St-Jean?  More bling?

Yup.  Centered on right breast pocket. AF types used to wear one; Dad was a FE and wore one on the tri-service CF dress uniform before the DEUs came back.

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Wait, out. Last I heard. They were still working out the little kinks like pattern and size for DEU insignia and whatnot.

Edit to add: The ppt said something about issuing DEU insignia via Logistik Unicorp among other projects too.

Here are some pictures. Note the new (velcro?) ranks for the ICU. Warrant officer cadpat rank will be a larger crown to distinguish from Major. The Bgen rank is the WWI Bgen and not the British Brigadier rank. Gorgets for Col's and Generals.
 

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Bird_Gunner45 said:
When are the pips and crowns supposed to be worn officially?

There was a missive on a demi-official Gunner regimental net yesterday that stated Summer 2014 for the change to pips and crowns.
 

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Old Sweat said:
There was a missive on a demi-official Gunner regimental net yesterday that stated Summer 2014 for the change to pips and crowns.

I've heard that too. Would make sense; July 1914 is when WWI started. Sort of a 100 year anniversary thing.
 

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If there's adequate staff to pursue this initiative, it's clear that further cuts are possible in NDHQ with no ill effect.
 

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Eye In The Sky said:
I see Bloggins has been on the fast track; last I heard he was a Cpl !

Gunner! Bloggins was always a Gunner.  ;)
 

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Old Sweat said:
There was a missive on a demi-official Gunner regimental net yesterday that stated Summer 2014 for the change to pips and crowns.

Thanks!  :salute:

The main reason I ask is that my wife works at CP Gear and was saying that she spent the last 3 days ironing pip and crown epaulettes for huge orders in Ottawa and elsewhere in the CF world.
 

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FJAG said:
Gunner! Bloggins was always a Gunner.  ;)

Probably explains why he keeps setting himself on fire or running trucks into buildings in all those videos we have to watch. >:D
 

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Robert0288 said:
Probably explains why he keeps setting himself on fire or running trucks into buildings in all those videos we have to watch. >:D

He also showed up on just about every sample charge report/sheet I ever sent out. Really surprised he made it to Col.

;D

I quite like the new badges  :stirpot: I like seeing the old white bandaid back for the officer cadet rank. Not so fond of the new brigadier rank badge though. The old one with three pips and a crown had more "presence" but I see where it was necessary since brigadier is currently a general rank and it looks like the Aussie one as well.

:cheers:
 

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FJAG said:
He also showed up on just about every sample charge report/sheet I ever sent out. Really surprised he made it to Col.

;D

I quite like the new badges  :stirpot: I like seeing the old white bandaid back for the officer cadet rank. Not so fond of the new brigadier rank badge though. The old one with three pips and a crown had more "presence" but I see where it was necessary since brigadier is currently a general rank and it looks like the Aussie one as well.

:cheers:

FYI, the Aus Army Brigadier rank insignia is the crown with three pips, not the crossed sword and baton. 

http://www.army.gov.au/Who-we-are/Ranks/Officer-Ranks
 

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Dimsum said:
FYI, the Aus Army Brigadier rank insignia is the crown with three pips, not the crossed sword and baton. 

http://www.army.gov.au/Who-we-are/Ranks/Officer-Ranks

You're absolutely right. I was looking at this chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army_officer_rank_insignia and saw the insignia for "until 1922" and missed seeing the "since 1928" one.

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa  :sorry:
 
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