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Night Footage Shows Fallujah Battle - Video

Great video! Thanks for posting that. I like the comment
"Watch your G*D **** fire!" heh
 
There‘s nothing like live action war footage. I kinda like the sound of the live-fire myself. :D
 
I saw a longer (more indepth) video of this on the news and was hoping someone would get it online very soon, this‘ll have to do

how can i save it to my computer?
 
Were going to have to get you into the infantry soon!
Can you imagine what that must be like on your nerves. You have people shooting at you left right and center but you can‘t just open up with everything you have in return, you have to pick and choose every shot practically? Thats brutal.
 
Why can‘t the US just find their target, which is not impossible with the technology they have, then drop a bomb instead of battling with all the petty small fire stuff? It would have probably saved them 76+ lives. I don‘t know what strategy they used and I am in no way trying to sound like I know what I‘m talking about, because I don‘t, but to me, 75 dead soldiers seems a little high for a force like the US.
 
The problem is the US are not fighting soldiers with uniforms who follow the rules ( so to speak) they are fighting civilians who go from walking around in the day waving US flags and selling them cokes to firing off RPGs and AKs at them at night. They can‘t drop a bomb on a whole country and if they are taking fire from a village they can‘t wipe out the whole village, they will be seen as murderers. The iraq civilians shooting at the US aren‘t worried about what they look like in the news because they dont have to answer to anyone. An iraq civilian is probably pretty sure that he wont get shot in the back by a us soldier for nothing, americans cant say the same.

Imagine going into a bar fight with your right hand tied behind your back, your only allowed to hit someone that hits you first and even if someone does hit you, if they put up their hands and say dont hit me you can‘t hit them back. until you catch them swinging at you.
 
I understand what you are saying and dropping a bomb on the whole city is not what I meant.. I meant if you see live-fire, then you return live-fire right? Correct me if I‘m wrong please. So, if you know where the enemy is located, blast ‘em good and hard, destroy as many as possible. I realize there is always going to be some deaths but I just think 78 dead soldiers for the US is really high and the majority of them died in the Fallujah battle. I guess I just can‘t see how they lost that many of them.
 
Originally posted by GirlFiredUp:
[qb] There‘s nothing like live action war footage. I kinda like the sound of the live-fire myself. :D [/qb]
GirlFiredUp is my hero. ;)
 
Speaking of footage. This is not Live action battle footage, but I might as well post it in this thread and not make a new one...

Combat Camera has updated their video and picture journals. The videos include Canadian Soldiers in Haiti.

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/find_e.asp
 
you dont have to keep writing "live-"fire, if you say "fire" we‘re not gonna think blanks.. ;)
 
Originally posted by Scarlino:
[qb] you dont have to keep writing "live-"fire, if you say "fire" we‘re not gonna think blanks.. ;) [/qb]
Ok, I stand corrected.
 
The AP voice-over guy drives me nuts though, its so steady and monotonous with no inflection of any kind or hint of emotion.....arrgh....

Interesting footage though.
 
In one of my earlier posts, I mentioned being puzzled about the loss of so many US troops during the battle of Fallujah so I did some digging and recently came across some information on the US Army‘s strategy behind the assault on Fallujah. This may not be of interest to many but perhaps some of the infantry guys might find it to be.
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How To Squeeze a City


Source: Time Online Edition
April 11, 2004


The Marines have been following a standard script for pacifying a city. First they encircled Fallujah to trap the insurgents inside and prevent reinforcements from coming to their aid. The cordon around Fallujah is an estimated three miles long by two miles across. Supplies of food and medicine are permitted in, and women, children and old men are allowed to flee on foot. A 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew forces civilians into their houses at night, when the U.S. military, with its night-vision devices, prefers to fight. Leaflets warn residents to gather in a single room if Marines enter their homes.

At first, the going was slow. By Tuesday, Marines entered the city but were stuck in the industrialized north and a few other pockets just inside the cordon. Help from the Iraqi security forces turned out to be minimal: following payday last week, most of them fled. That forced Marines to man the cordon, reducing the number available to scour Fallujah.

But as the Marines penetrate deeper into the city, they have been adopting a divide-and-conquer strategy. "You slice the city like a pie," says Bernard Trainor, a retired Marine lieutenant general. Each neighborhood-size slice is assigned to a Marine unit, whose members work to glean intelligence from pro-U.S. residents about the whereabouts of the insurgents on their "blacklists." The Marines are also carrying photographs of those who desecrated the bodies of the U.S. contractors and are paying informants for intelligence. A telephone hot line has been established for locals to rat out the location of the insurgents.

In their assaults, the U.S. troops are relying as much as possible on arms with thread-the-needle accuracy: rifles and tanks backed up by AH-1 Cobra helicopter gunships and precision-guided bombs. "We want to get the guys we are after," says 2nd Lieut. James Vanzant. "We don‘t want to go in there with guns blazing." But the tenacity of the insurgentsâ ”Pentagon officials estimate they number in the hundredsâ ”has surprised many Marines. They have reported seeing insurgents pop up out of the rubble left from 500-lb. bombs and resume firing at U.S. troops. Armed with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars, the insurgents have also detonated remote-controlled gasoline bombs, sending massive fireballs hundreds of feet into the nighttime sky. Marines in Fallujah have found belts packed with a blend of explosives and lead fishing weightsâ ”the weapon of choice for suicide bombers.

For the Marines and the thousands of civilians trapped in Fallujah, a town of 300,000, it‘s a harrowing war. Small groups of Marines serve as bait, heading into danger by crossing streets or scampering over rooftops. Their goal is to draw fire from insurgents, betraying guerrilla positions to U.S. tanks and missiles lurking nearby. Cobra gunships have repeatedly rocketed groups of guerrillas, while the insurgents lob mortar shells and rockets at the Marine command post on the northern edge of town. The crackle of machine guns and muffled booms of mortars filled the corpse-littered streets with smoke. Four Marines were confirmed killed by the weekend. Iraqi casualties were heavy: locals said hundreds of civilians have been killed, though the U.S. says most of the dead are insurgents. On Wednesday, a U.S. air strike killed 40 people at the Abdel-Aziz al-Samarrai mosque, according to the Islamic Clerics Group located next to it, but Marine officers said only insurgents had been killed. The dead were buried in a soccer field, because Fallujah‘s cemeteries are all located outside the cordon.

City combat blunts the Marines‘ chief advantages: speed and awareness of what is ahead. Buildings create vast "dead spaces" where the enemy can hide. The cityscape hinders communications and prevents anything that flies low, like helicopters, spy drones and warplanes, from assisting friendly forces on the ground for very long. Life-and-death decisions must be made instantly: 90% of the targets are less than 50 yds. away and seen for only seconds. "When they start zinging RPGs in here, you can‘t really do anything about it," says Staff Sergeant Mike Conran. "It‘s really just dumb luck if you get hit."

In some neighborhoods, the Marines say, anyone they spot in the streets is considered a "bad guy." Says Marine Major Larry Kaifesh: "It is hard to differentiate between people who are insurgents or civilians. You just have to go with your gut feeling." U.S. commanders say many residents of the town haven‘t declared their allegiance to either the coalition or the insurgents and are waiting to see who prevails. But the Marines sensed that, no matter how the battle turns out, winning hearts and minds in Fallujah after so much destruction may be impossible. "I think that was a pretty big step we took," said Corporal Andrew Stokef, 20, after Specter gunships pounded Fallujah for several hours. "There‘s no turning back now." Indeed, after the U.S. halted offensive operations late last week, sporadic battles soon resumed, with insurgents taking up positions in the minarets of some of the town‘s mosques. That violates the rules of war and permits the Marines to attack any minaret being used as a sniper perch. But the inescapable logic of the U.S. predicament now is that for every sniper they kill, the Marines risk inciting even more hatred among the people they are trying to save.
 
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