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Good day
Long-time reader first time writer.
I have a question for the medical staff or medical officers of this forum.

My brother is an American student who has graduated medical school. He has written the required testing to be able to apply for residency in Canada (MCC and MCCEE).  I have been trying to gather information about his options for joining the forces.

So far I have got the following information

From the military recruiter
- CF will only take Drs as MOs after they have passed residency and hold the required documentations to be MOs in the CF as a direct entry MO.
- He can apply as a ‘Medic’ by joining the ranks and apply to be a PA after finishing 6As.
- He can join the UTPNCM program from any trade after 2 years and his medical schooling will count towards the application for MO and get a portion of his residency waved.

From MOs currently employed
- The CF has sponsored spots for residency in Queens U and Kingston General Hospital that favor current military members.
- The CF will employ people with any degree (including medical degree) and will support continuing education including residency.
- MOs are in higher demand and face semi-difficult retention due to the attractiveness of civilian equivalent opportunities.

SO

My question(s) are for someone to fill in the blanks.

His “end states” is to be employed as a “Doctor”.

The residency program is very competitive and he being an American student has a bit of odds against him even though he has written the MCC and MCCEE.

Can someone in this field shine some light on this?


- Is it possible for him to apply as an MO with a medical degree but no residency? And if yes is there a POC or something to contact?
- If the CF will only employ MOs once they have completed the residency portion can he get employed as an MO and finish the said portion through the CF?


The recruiting centre seems to lack these details and when he requested to talk to someone in this matter he got put in touch with a lesser experienced medical MCpl in a reserve unit.  I know I am a MCpl myself and it is hard for me to answer questions that are better suited for an officer even in my current trade.

Help or POC information would be much appreciated

Thank you
 
mrhex said:
Help or POC information would be much appreciated

This may, or may not, be of interest to you,

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mrhex said:
Good day
Long-time reader first time writer.
I have a question for the medical staff or medical officers of this forum.

My brother is an American student who has graduated medical school. He has written the required testing to be able to apply for residency in Canada (MCC and MCCEE).  I have been trying to gather information about his options for joining the forces.

So far I have got the following information

From the military recruiter
- CF will only take Drs as MOs after they have passed residency and hold the required documentations to be MOs in the CF as a direct entry MO.
- He can apply as a ‘Medic’ by joining the ranks and apply to be a PA after finishing 6As.
- He can join the UTPNCM program from any trade after 2 years and his medical schooling will count towards the application for MO and get a portion of his residency waved.

From MOs currently employed
- The CF has sponsored spots for residency in Queens U and Kingston General Hospital that favor current military members.
- The CF will employ people with any degree (including medical degree) and will support continuing education including residency.
- MOs are in higher demand and face semi-difficult retention due to the attractiveness of civilian equivalent opportunities.

SO

My question(s) are for someone to fill in the blanks.

His “end states” is to be employed as a “Doctor”.

The residency program is very competitive and he being an American student has a bit of odds against him even though he has written the MCC and MCCEE.

Can someone in this field shine some light on this?


- Is it possible for him to apply as an MO with a medical degree but no residency? And if yes is there a POC or something to contact?
- If the CF will only employ MOs once they have completed the residency portion can he get employed as an MO and finish the said portion through the CF?


The recruiting centre seems to lack these details and when he requested to talk to someone in this matter he got put in touch with a lesser experienced medical MCpl in a reserve unit.  I know I am a MCpl myself and it is hard for me to answer questions that are better suited for an officer even in my current trade.

Help or POC information would be much appreciated

Thank you







 
Thank you mariomike for the speedy reply.

i guess i should have been more clear on my question, sorry about that.

the better question i should have asked is, is it possible for him to join as an MO and if yes would the CF put him through the said Queens U res program? and if he can not apply as an MO is there any way of being a "Dr" and be employed within the CF?

thanks again
 
mrhex said:
Thank you mariomike for the speedy reply.

You are welcome, and good luck.  :)
 
mrhex said:
So far I have got the following information

From the military recruiter
- CF will only take Drs as MOs after they have passed residency and hold the required documentations to be MOs in the CF as a direct entry MO.
- He can apply as a ‘Medic’ by joining the ranks and apply to be a PA after finishing 6As.
- He can join the UTPNCM program from any trade after 2 years and his medical schooling will count towards the application for MO and get a portion of his residency waved.

Help or POC information would be much appreciated

Not the greatest of advice.  I'd wait until your other question get's answered by a Health Service Recruiter, which should be shortly.

http://army.ca/forums/threads/121615/post-1409821;topicseen#new

 
I figured the recruiters would possibly only read the recruiting section so I asked the admin staff over here also.  Sometimes the OR or administrator staff are the best source for digging up this kind of ‘odd ball’ question. Figure I would cover the two COAs and see which one has the most hits.
 
UTONCM is highly competitive and a 2 year in trade Pte is likely not getting even a recommendation from their CO to proceed. Senior corporals and junior master corporals are the target.
 
mrhex said:
so I asked the admin staff over here also. 

Sergeant Laen over in Recruiting would be a good person to ask.
http://milnet.ca/forums/members/51867
 
As an American Medical School graduate and based on the information you have provided, your options are limited.  Even though you have completed the MCC and MCCEE exams, you would still not be employable within the CAF.  In order to be employed as an MO in the CAF, there are 2 possible options available at this time:

1)  On your own merit and expense, you obtain licensing (in good standing with a current unrestricted license to practice family medicine in a Canadian province), after which, you can apply to the CAF as a Direct Entry Officer; or

2)  Gain acceptance into a family medicine residency (thru CaRMS – Canadian Resident Matching Service) as an International Medical Graduate (IMG). This is a very competitive program, as there are only 200 vacancies available for residency positions with over 2000 applications.  If you were to gain acceptance into a residency position for family medicine thru CaRMS, then you would be eligible to apply to the CAF under the MOTP program (Medical Officer Training Plan).

Canadian Resident Matching Service  --->  www.carms.ca

If you would like to correspond directly with one of our Health Services Recruiters regarding these options, please let me know and I will be happy to provide you with their contact information.
 
mrhex said:
My brother is an American student who has graduated medical school...

From the military recruiter
- CF will only take Drs as MOs after they have passed residency and hold the required documentations to be MOs in the CF as a direct entry MO.
- He can apply as a ‘Medic’ by joining the ranks and apply to be a PA after finishing 6As.
- He can join the UTPNCM program from any trade after 2 years and his medical schooling will count towards the application for MO and get a portion of his residency waved.

- Is it possible for him to apply as an MO with a medical degree but no residency? And if yes is there a POC or something to contact?
- If the CF will only employ MOs once they have completed the residency portion can he get employed as an MO and finish the said portion through the CF

For your first set of questions, IMO the options that you received from recruiting are "suboptimal".  If he joins as a Med Tech, it will be years before he is potentially selected for PA training. Likely minimum 10 years, despite efforts to shorten the flash to bang. And then he would be a PA, not an MO.

Furthermore, UTPNCM is not the correct program for Medical Officer production, as it is used by NCMs to obtain a Bachelors degree followed by comissioning as an officer. If you already have a degree and are another trade, MMTP is the program to obtain medical undergrad and residency training.

In terms of your second set of questions, if looking for residency training then MOTP would likely be the correct avenue. The CF will not employ someone as an "MO" who lacks residency training, so acceptance to MOTP would be needed. Your brother would need to complete a Family Medicine residency - this should be clear to him, so if he wants a Dermatology residency he would be out of luck.

As others have suggested, a PM to Sgt Laen might be useful. From your original post it is not clear if your brother is a Canadian citizen or not, which may be pertinent to the discussion.
 
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