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Logistic Vehicle Modernization Project - Replacing everything from LUVW to SHLVW

Colin Parkinson

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Have them licence built here with minimal Canadization so we can get parts later when the plant shuts down.
 

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MilEME09 said:
Well that's what we normally pay anyway! Seriously though with issues like that, likely another company will win, be interesting to see who else bids.

The program has moved on from the development phase.  The first LRIP vehicles were recently delivered to the ADF in April this year.  Thales bought out Steyr so the latter's financial troubles are now irrelevant in terms of supply of engines.
 

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End of an Era, today 1 CMBG announced on Facebook they are beginning the divestment of the remaining MLVW's from service.
 

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MilEME09 said:
End of an Era, today 1 CMBG announced on Facebook they are beginning the divestment of the remaining MLVW's from service.

Watched a running ML towbar a non running ML to the divestment area.

 

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This morning CAF announced via social media the intention via draft RFP to replace our light and heavy logistics fleets. Good bye LSVW......eventually


https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp/pdmdvl-lvmp-eng.html?fbclid=IwAR1DporjqDLZaxPlS03r68MmjXrF-ySWHrG9t91BijDbhOQTtEAKHES4n8g
 

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Its a draft RFP, not even the real RFP. I'll be a CWO or long retired before the LSVW gets replaced.
 

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MilEME09 said:
This morning CAF announced via social media the intention via draft RFP to replace our light and heavy logistics fleets. Good bye LSVW......eventually


https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp/pdmdvl-lvmp-eng.html?fbclid=IwAR1DporjqDLZaxPlS03r68MmjXrF-ySWHrG9t91BijDbhOQTtEAKHES4n8g
From the link:
As a result of the Invitation to Qualify (ITQ) process, Canada established a list of qualified suppliers who have demonstrated the technical ability to develop and propose solutions for the project.

Daimler AG
General Dynamics Land Systems – Canada Corporation and General Dynamics Land Systems, Incorporated
Iveco Defence Vehicles S.p.A.
Mack Defense LLC (with ARQUUS)
Navistar Defense LLC
Oshkosh Defense Canada Incorporated and Oshkosh Defense, LLC
Rheinmetall Canada Inc. and Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles GmbH
Only these suppliers will be invited to participate in the next phases of engagement to review and refine the procurement requirements and to submit bids in response to the RFP.
 

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The project to replace the MSVW is complete, right??  Trucks delivered.

This is for LUVW specifically? 
 

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CBH99 said:
The project to replace the MSVW is complete, right??  Trucks delivered.

This is for LUVW specifically?

logistics fleet, so LSVW, HLVW and engineering equipment is my understanding.

Replacement of the LUVW both milcot and G wagon are a separate project.
 

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MilEME09 said:
logistics fleet, so LSVW, HLVW and engineering equipment is my understanding.

Replacement of the LUVW both milcot and G wagon are a separate project.

So the LSVW and HLVW will be from the same manufacturer? Wikipedia has the LSVW at 1333 of the original 2879 and the HLVW at 591 of the original 1212, I wonder what the replacement numbers will be?


 

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suffolkowner said:
So the LSVW and HLVW will be from the same manufacturer? Wikipedia has the LSVW at 1333 of the original 2879 and the HLVW at 591 of the original 1212, I wonder what the replacement numbers will be?

Hopefully several thousand of each, logistics fleets you can't always do more with less, because you can't be in two places at once. And on a DP you can't have multiple stores in one vehicle. Ammo, food, POL, salvage, etc.. all has to have its own truck. Plus you need all the varients as well, plus trailers.
 

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MilEME09 said:
Hopefully several thousand of each, logistics fleets you can't always do more with less, because you can't be in two places at once. And on a DP you can't have multiple stores in one vehicle. Ammo, food, POL, salvage, etc.. all has to have its own truck. Plus you need all the varients as well, plus trailers.

What do you think the difference is between the HLVW replacement and the MSVS-SMP will be? The MSVS-SMP is already an 8x8, correct? So what can you do go 10x10 or duals?
 

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suffolkowner said:
What do you think the difference is between the HLVW replacement and the MSVS-SMP will be? The MSVS-SMP is already an 8x8, correct? So what can you do go 10x10 or duals?

Its not about wheels, its tonnage and capacity, given the upsizing of vehicles the HL replacement will likely be in the 12 to 16 ton range. Likely with a crane and a large cargo capacity.
 

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MilEME09 said:
Its not about wheels, its tonnage and capacity, given the upsizing of vehicles the HL replacement will likely be in the 12 to 16 ton range. Likely with a crane and a large cargo capacity.

But how do you get the capacity without adding another axle or wheels?
 

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suffolkowner said:
But how do you get the capacity without adding another axle or wheels?

Thats upto individual companies to design but likely duel wheels in the rear is possible.
 

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MilEME09 said:
Thats upto individual companies to design but likely duel wheels in the rear is possible.

fair enough it will be interesting to see the proposals, hopefully the process can be completed in 5yrs instead of 10
 

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pretty decent new CDR magazine out

http://www.canadiandefencereview.com/

The Enhanced Recovery Project is covered on page 50 with 159 units and 30 Armoured protection systems and GDLS-MB / Iveco/
Navistar /Oshkosh and rheinmetall so far involved. Also mentioned in the magazine are the other projects with the HSVS looking to replace the HLVW and AHSV as well as the Western Star water purification system transports. Still the opportunity exists to buy something from every truck manufacturer out there to help spread the wealth ;D

maybe the following only slightly tongue in cheek

MSVS= 1300 Navistar
MSVS-SMP= 1587 Kerex
HSVS= 700 Rheinmetall
EHRC= 159 Oshkosh
LSVS= 2400 Iveco
LUVW= another 2000 to replace the milverado and g-wagen
 

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Way to early to make any calls as to what we will get however it looks like given the time line the ERC is a high priority. Other projects expected to deliver this decade are the LSVW and HLVW replacement, and the replacement of the Chevy Silverado and G wagon with a single utility vehicle platform.
 
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