It's Tough But

[brihard]

Lets hire people with a degree in criminology, but have never actually met any. I advise people who want to go into policing to become mall cops for a bit, then you get a taste of street level policing before spending wads on an education for a career you dislike.

Speaking as a cop with a crim degree, most people taking crim don’t want to be and won’t become cops.

 

[OldSolduer]

Speaking as a cop with a crim degree, most people taking crim don’t want to be and won’t become cops.

But find "gainful" employment as talking heads for the local media.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I actually think it's good, maybe even very good ... I suspect it appeals to the sort of the people they really need and want.

I agree. I think it speaks to a generation that is searching for meaning rather than money (ok...some of them)

 

[brihard]

Next time I’m on campus I’ll have to swing by the department offices… They have a cork board where crim grads have come back and posted their business cards. Kinda cool seeing what’s out there.

 

[brihard]

I agree. I think it speaks to a generation that is searching for meaning rather than money (ok...some of them)

The money ain’t bad either. Major’s pay at three years in, and that’s before OT.

EDIT: checked again, a few thousand bucks short… But you’ll make that in OT without even trying

 

[Remius]

To be honest I think Cops should have varied backgrounds. Finance, law, IT or computer science, etc etc. Gives the force a wealth of background and allows some degree of spécialisation to leverage later in a career.

 

[daftandbarmy]

To be honest I think Cops should have varied backgrounds. Finance, law, IT or computer science, etc etc. Gives the force a wealth of background and allows some degree of spécialisation to leverage later in a career.

And 6ft 2in tall with a great left hook

 

[RedFive]

To be honest I think Cops should have varied backgrounds. Finance, law, IT or computer science, etc etc. Gives the force a wealth of background and allows some degree of spécialisation to leverage later in a career.

Some of the most helpful members I've ever worked with have come from finance, business, or tech backgrounds and showed up with life experience and an ability to talk to people. In return, with my military/tactical background I've been able to help them with their tactics or weapon manipulations and articulating using law, policy and the Incident Management Intervention Model. You know who has never been able to help me with their education? The people with Crim degrees.

That's not a knock against them all the ones I know are solid members. But a knowledge of the broken windows theory or Sir Robert Peel's principles of policing is not helpful to me as a GD cop in the big city. Most of those principles were used to create RCMP policy in one way or another and form the basis of our service standards in any case. Being able to talk to people, use a reasonable amount of force, help me draft a search warrant for a phone, or sort out a convoluted fraud case are helpful. Perhaps I'll come to lean on the Crim degree members later on in my career.

 

[mariomike]

Life expreience before you join an organization is great. On the other hand, perhaps younger recruits are be more "moldable".

At any rate, to get that 70% pension., older you join, older you gotta be to collect and enjoy it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Some of the most helpful members I've ever worked with have come from finance, business, or tech backgrounds and showed up with life experience and an ability to talk to people. In return, with my military/tactical background I've been able to help them with their tactics or weapon manipulations and articulating using law, policy and the Incident Management Intervention Model. You know who has never been able to help me with their education? The people with Crim degrees.

That's not a knock against them all the ones I know are solid members. But a knowledge of the broken windows theory or Sir Robert Peel's principles of policing is not helpful to me as a GD cop in the big city. Most of those principles were used to create RCMP policy in one way or another and form the basis of our service standards in any case. Being able to talk to people, use a reasonable amount of force, help me draft a search warrant for a phone, or sort out a convoluted fraud case are helpful. Perhaps I'll come to lean on the Crim degree members later on in my career.

But... but... but... statistics!

Essentials of Statistics for Criminology and Criminal Justice

us.sagepub.com

 

[brihard]

You know who has never been able to help me with their education? The people with Crim degrees.

Perhaps I'll come to lean on the Crim degree members later on in my career.

Again, speaking as one, you will not. Part of why I’m back in school, I guess. The crim degree is paper on the wall when you’re generally expected to have paper on the wall. It was interesting, but doesn’t offer much that tangibly carries over.

To be honest I think Cops should have varied backgrounds. Finance, law, IT or computer science, etc etc. Gives the force a wealth of background and allows some degree of spécialisation to leverage later in a career.

The RCMP is early into driving a much bigger wedge between contract and federal policing. It’s recognize that contract postings are a barrier to federal recruitment. Why would a chartered accountant want to roll the dice on going to northern Manitoba for six years? There’s initial work being done on a separate federal intake stream.

There’s also a new category of civilian criminal investigators beginning to roll out. They’re targeting people with backgrounds in computer science, accounting, cyber security, and such. They won’t be armed and badged but will have peace officer status, be able to write warrants, etc. the first cohort are already on the job. It’s a necessary and appropriate move towards professionalization of federal policing.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

And 6ft 2in tall with a great left hook

Why would they deliberately hire short people?

 

[brihard]

Why would they deliberately hire short people?

We fit in cheaper cars.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Again, speaking as one, you will not. Part of why I’m back in school, I guess. The crim degree is paper on the wall when you’re generally expected to have paper on the wall. It was interesting, but doesn’t offer much that tangibly carries over.



The RCMP is early into driving a much bigger wedge between contract and federal policing. It’s recognize that contract postings are a barrier to federal recruitment. Why would a chartered accountant want to roll the dice on going to northern Manitoba for six years? There’s initial work being done on a separate federal intake stream.

There’s also a new category of civilian criminal investigators beginning to roll out. They’re targeting people with backgrounds in computer science, accounting, cyber security, and such. They won’t be armed and badged but will have peace officer status, be able to write warrants, etc. the first cohort are already on the job. It’s a necessary and appropriate move towards professionalization of federal policing.

Finally, the Canadian FBIA (eh?)

 

[Remius]

Again, speaking as one, you will not. Part of why I’m back in school, I guess. The crim degree is paper on the wall when you’re generally expected to have paper on the wall. It was interesting, but doesn’t offer much that tangibly carries over.



The RCMP is early into driving a much bigger wedge between contract and federal policing. It’s recognize that contract postings are a barrier to federal recruitment. Why would a chartered accountant want to roll the dice on going to northern Manitoba for six years? There’s initial work being done on a separate federal intake stream.

There’s also a new category of civilian criminal investigators beginning to roll out. They’re targeting people with backgrounds in computer science, accounting, cyber security, and such. They won’t be armed and badged but will have peace officer status, be able to write warrants, etc. the first cohort are already on the job. It’s a necessary and appropriate move towards professionalization of federal policing.

The team I am on is actually helping to get that that program rolled out. Not without its challenges but a good step in that direction.

 

[lenaitch]

Lets hire people with a degree in criminology, but have never actually met any. I advise people who want to go into policing to become mall cops for a bit, then you get a taste of street level policing before spending wads on a education for a career you dislike.

Mall cops, retail sales, I don't care so long as it is some experience in dealing with people; both publicly and organizationally. The preference (by some services) to get applicants with a straight line from mother's milk to public education to post secondary is resulting in a lot of applicants with minimal life skills.

Life expreience before you join an organization is great. On the other hand, perhaps younger recruits are be more "moldable".

At any rate, to get that 70% pension., older you join, older you gotta be to collect and enjoy it.

Nope - they know it all.

 

[lenaitch]

The team I am on is actually helping to get that that program rolled out. Not without its challenges but a good step in that direction.

A good initiative. I would expect more personnel changeover over time. With (for want of a better term), broadly trained cops, if those that get into more specialized work either tire of it, get burned out, tired of the hours, etc. they can easily move to other areas of the Service, go back to patrol, etc. or move on to climb the ladder. With specific-skill personnel hired for a particular role, their mobility is much more limited, and their pay grid may not always be competitive enough to keep them moving to industry (although pension and benefits are a solid attractant). My former service doesn't have the contract-federal dichotomy but has civilianized several position in forensic identification, operational IT and forensic audit. If you get somebody that stays in for the long haul, cool, but there has been some movement when people realize they'll be doing that same damned thing for the next 35 years.

Part of it was to save money, but it hasn't always been successful; particularly when they created so-called hybrid staffing with a given spot being open to sworn or civilian so you end up with a section with a mix of sworn and civilian folks doing the same thing. There have already been challenges on the basis of pay equity and the employer tried to argue 'police factors' such as deplorability, use-of-force, etc. and in at least one case that I'm aware of the arbitrator didn't buy it.

 

[RedFive]

The RCMP is early into driving a much bigger wedge between contract and federal policing. It’s recognize that contract postings are a barrier to federal recruitment. Why would a chartered accountant want to roll the dice on going to northern Manitoba for six years? There’s initial work being done on a separate federal intake stream.

The main reason I've chosen to stay with the RCMP given all the nonsense in Surrey is the opportunity for my two holy grail positions in Policing.

Tactical Flight Officer, the member in the back seat of the helicopters calling the shots, and FSOC Border Integrity. I don't like my chances for either.

 

[brihard]

The main reason I've chosen to stay with the RCMP given all the nonsense in Surrey is the opportunity for my two holy grail positions in Policing.

Tactical Flight Officer, the member in the back seat of the helicopters calling the shots, and FSOC Border Integrity. I don't like my chances for either.

Oh dude. Every time C.B. posts his TFO photos I’m so jealous. What a job that would be. See if you can get a spot in an auto theft unit; my understanding is they work with Air 1 a whole ton.

Are you dead set on staying out west? The tricky part with Fed is getting in. Once you’re fed, getting over to BI isn’t a super big deal. Obviously the pickier you are about location, the harder.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The main reason I've chosen to stay with the RCMP given all the nonsense in Surrey is the opportunity for my two holy grail positions in Policing.

Tactical Flight Officer, the member in the back seat of the helicopters calling the shots, and FSOC Border Integrity. I don't like my chances for either.

Ummm….we are hiring Air Combat Systems Officers, ATM.

I have just over 2000hrs doing that sort of work in the back of helicopter.

Just sayin…