George Wallace
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A stray comment on air this morning about Trump's Republican supporters becoming the "MAGA Party", has me wondering if he may have split the Republican Party into two.
Has Trump's victory brought about a change to the US Party System?
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I don’t know. If anything MAGA can say what they have is working. Pretty sure MAGA is the party now.
The Dems have more introspection to do. Maybe it means trying to absorb those republicans that don’t see themselves with MAGA?
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I think that started a while ago: Republicans publicly not supporting him in the campaign, and the MAGA folks.
The problem is that the non-MAGA Republicans now know that they can’t win without MAGA support, so they fall in line.
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Isn't this par for the course for the Republican party in the last 2 or three decades? First it was the Tea Party, and now it is MAGA. The only significant difference this time is the splinter group became the largest of the groups.
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This would probably be better in US politics
GK .Dundas
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How'd that line go ?
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
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I think you have that backwards. It's the democrats that line up like automatons when Pelosi or Schumer crack the whip.
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So the Republicans fall in love…with Trump? Is that it?
The other GOP primary candidates (Haley, Christie, etc) seemed to fall in line pretty quick after they lost to Trump…
Colin Parkinson
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I think the Trump love affair will be short lived. A lot of this is anger at the Democrats and Trump was the least worse choice. What happens in 4 years is up to what the Dems do to clean house and become a party that does not routinely insult half of the American voting public.
The Dems have become synonymous with all of the modern issues that a lot of people don't think of as real issues, re anything woke
They've also, very much like their LPC counterparts up here, seem to be working against the will of the very public that voted them in.
They work for the elites and do everything they possibly can to screw over the middle class, all the while gaslighting those same people with commentary about how hard they are working for them.
And, they seem to have a pretty blatant corruption problem, re they have an agenda and it isn't what the American people want.
Needless to say they have an image problem. Big time. But neither of their candidates were especially strong choices.
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Trump toned down the rhetoric this time, which allowed him to attract support from groups that normally wouldn't support him.
His rallies became 'pro America' rallies that anybody could attend, with the vibrant traditional things that make people proud to be Americans & romanticize about what America could be
His platform of bringing down the cost of living, shrinking government, supporting small business investment & stopping 2 wars that have raged far beyond their initial scope resonates with an American public that is sick of everything being so expensive, having a bloated government that can't seem to accomplish much, national institutions that seem to have become corrupted or lazy, and are tired of funding foreign wars to the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars
(Sorry for the extreme run on sentence ^)
The MAGA crowd had a better energy, clearly defined goals, promised to respect the citizenry and promote what that citizenry wants, which is what slowly won over groups that may have traditionally leaned left.
My 2 cents anyway
They've also, very much like their LPC counterparts up here, seem to be working against the will of the very public that voted them in.
They work for the elites and do everything they possibly can to screw over the middle class, all the while gaslighting those same people with commentary about how hard they are working for them.
And, they seem to have a pretty blatant corruption problem, re they have an agenda and it isn't what the American people want.
Needless to say they have an image problem. Big time. But neither of their candidates were especially strong choices.
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Trump toned down the rhetoric this time, which allowed him to attract support from groups that normally wouldn't support him.
His rallies became 'pro America' rallies that anybody could attend, with the vibrant traditional things that make people proud to be Americans & romanticize about what America could be
His platform of bringing down the cost of living, shrinking government, supporting small business investment & stopping 2 wars that have raged far beyond their initial scope resonates with an American public that is sick of everything being so expensive, having a bloated government that can't seem to accomplish much, national institutions that seem to have become corrupted or lazy, and are tired of funding foreign wars to the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars
(Sorry for the extreme run on sentence ^)
The MAGA crowd had a better energy, clearly defined goals, promised to respect the citizenry and promote what that citizenry wants, which is what slowly won over groups that may have traditionally leaned left.
My 2 cents anyway
Colin Parkinson
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As my wife mentioned, he has ditched Steve Bannon and Alex Jones, brought on Musk and few other who have business experience. I would not be making a major purchase if I was a Federal Public Servant right now. I most certainly would be feeling uncomfortable being a NASA or FAA executive.
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perhaps just the fulfillment of the seventh party system
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The Cheney’s have been on DJT’s radar even before they endorsed Harris - some of those not toeing the line, speaking their truth & feeling a bit of the wrath.
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Since they caught a bad case of TDS.
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…like the DoD, who makes major purchases all the time…
I had always thought of the Cheneys as deep state Republican power houses, right up there with the Bushes
To me it's like a dark mirror version of the Clinton's all of a sudden identifying as Republicans...just threw me off when I first heard of the change, was all
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Personally, in my imaginary world of 'Democracy 2.0', I'm debating the idea of getting rid of the party system altogether.
Everybody runs as an Independent, so they aren't beholden to a particular party with a pre-determined agenda and mindset...
Let individuals run & present their own ideas for how they would make life better for everyone. And whoever gets the most votes, wind
(I'm no scholar and even I can see some potentially huge challenges that would need to be addressed with the idea above, don't worry...I said it was an idea, not a good idea.)
Blackadder1916
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Number one challenge would be finding the deep pockets that fund political campaigns. In the words of Gus Grissom, "No bucks, no Buck Rogers". And while that was in reference to space program funding, the same holds true for any endeavour. Enticing someone to fund a political campaign, whether large or small donors (especially large donors), would require finding those who already agree with your ideas, or more likely, you would have to adjust your ideas to coincide with their agenda.
Colin Parkinson
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Not sure how that applies to my comment about a PS employee not loading up on debt, when the chances of being laid off are high?
The good thing is that Musk said that he would be offering generous packages. I suppose we’ll see what generous means.
That being said, if you want to lay off people like that, that is the way to go.
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