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Georgia and the Russian invasions/annexations/Lebensraum (2008 & 2015)

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Another tale of intrigue from that beautiful little country.  Posted in accordance with the Fair Dealings thingy:

Georgia releases Russian officers in bid to defuse bilateral crisis

TBILISI, Georgia (AP) - Georgia on Monday released four Russian officers whose arrest on spying charges prompted Moscow to announce sweeping travel and communications sanctions in the worst bilateral crisis in years.

Hoping to defuse tensions, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said he had decided to hand over the Russians to visiting Belgian Foreign Minister Karel De Gucht, the current chairman of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, even though Georgia has a strong case against them.

"I want to make it very clear: we have a very well-founded case," Saakashvili told reporters. "It's a very solid case of espionage, subversion and trying to destabilize my country."

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/061002/w100228.html


 
To punish Georgia further,the Russians have initiated sanctions. Odd they would treat the Georgians harsher than their pals the Iranians but there you have it. To top it off the Russians are supporting breakaway factions in 2 Georgian provinces/regions, its no coincidence that Russian troops are based in those areas. The Russians have been dragging their feet about withdrawing their forces. I wouldnt doubt that they would back a coup against the elected government.
 
tomahawk6 said:
To punish Georgia further,the Russians have initiated sanctions. Odd they would treat the Georgians harsher than their pals the Iranians but there you have it. To top it off the Russians are supporting breakaway factions in 2 Georgian provinces/regions, its no coincidence that Russian troops are based in those areas. The Russians have been dragging their feet about withdrawing their forces. I wouldnt doubt that they would back a coup against the elected government.

The Russians also maintain a "transportation company" garrison just outside Tbilisi, adjacent to a major Georgian base.  Quite an unfriendly bunch, too.  The Russians have loudly protested NATO actiivites in Georgia, most notably the American GTEP (Georgia Train and Equip) program and a large NATO exercise at this very base in 2002.
 
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/071107/n_top_news/news_georgia_col

Georgia Declares State of Emergency

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has declared a state of emergency after sending in riot police to battle protesters demanding his resignation.

Saakashvili, facing the worst crisis since he came to power on the back of street protests in 2003, has blamed Russia for stirring up strife in the former Soviet republic which has forged close ties with Washington under his rule.

Prime Minister Zurab Nogaideli said authorities had prevented a coup. Economic Development Minister Georgy Arveladze said all independent television news programs would be stopped during a 15-day state of emergency across Georgia.

Riot police used tear gas and water cannon on demonstrators in Tbilisi on Wednesday. Special forces troops wielding automatic weapons stormed the country's main opposition television channel, Imedi, which was then taken off air.

Georgia expelled three Russian diplomats and recalled its ambassador from Moscow. Saakashvili said he had evidence that Russian intelligence was behind the disorder.

Relations between Georgia and Russia were already at all-time lows. Saakashvili's desire to join NATO and his drive to regain sovereignty over two breakaway pro-Russian provinces have angered Moscow, which last year cut all transport links.

"We cannot let our country become the stage for dirty geo-political escapades by other countries," Saakashvili told the nation in a television broadcast. "Our democracy needs the firm hand of the authorities."

Saakashvili, who came to power in 2003 when protests drove Eduard Shevardnadze from office, wants to take his small Caucasus nation into NATO and the European Union.

More on Link above:

(mods if I didnt do this right please fix it?)
 
Interesting, how very 'Tom Clancy'. I would definately like to keep up on what happens in the future.
 
Tom Clancy would wet himself for a scenario like this.  Beleive me, the Russians are still major players in Georigian politics. There are still Russian peacekeeping troops garrisoned in Georgia, some just outside the capital city of Tbilisi.  The UN has a mission there as well, UNOMIG.

When I was in Georgia with NATO in 2002, the Russians were openly hostile towards us.  Although there were no direct confrontations, there were bitter complaints about our presence.
 
I have heard some rumours, (probably unfounded and conspiricy theorist-like) that the current president of Russia is wanting and planning to restore Russia to its 'Former Glory'. Any proof to this?
 
Tom Clancy can predict the future!!

The scenario for the original "Ghost Recon" video game for the PC read almost exactly as the headlines do, complete with UN personnel. Maybe we should all read "Red Storm Rising" and "The Bear and The Dragon" again, just in case.
 
RCR Grunt said:
Tom Clancy can predict the future!!

The scenario for the original "Ghost Recon" video game for the PC read almost exactly as the headlines do, complete with UN personnel. Maybe we should all read "Red Storm Rising" and "The Bear and The Dragon" again, just in case.

Perhaps someone is using Tom Clancy's books as 'How to start war for dummies' ?
 
Looks like this is related to events in the original newspost

Georgian leader to seek re-election in special vote in January
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/08/asia/georgia.php?page=1

MOSCOW: The president of Georgia called Thursday for a special presidential election on Jan. 5, saying he would test whether he had retained a mandate after a police crackdown and clashes with opposition demonstrators Wednesday ended with the government declaring a state of emergency.

The president, Mikheil Saakashvili, also said that a referendum would be held on the same day to determine the timing of parliamentary elections, which the opposition had demanded for next spring.

Saakashvili's surprise announcement marked an effort to alleviate the domestic unrest and international concern over the police action in Tbilisi, the country's capital, and the suspension of civil liberties that followed.

The president also said that the state of emergency would end soon, although he did not set a date.

More than 500 people were injured in the crackdown and clashes, none of them fatally, the government said. In the aftermath of the violence, public assembly was banned by Saakashvili's emergency order, and two opposition television stations were forced off the air, one by armed special forces officers.

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Newspapers and foreign news broadcasts were not available in the capital on Thursday, and the police filled the city's streets. Residents wondered whether their country, a young and fragile democracy in a turbulent corner of the former Soviet world, would slide back to authoritarian rule.

Appearing on national television at 7 p.m., three hours after calling the American ambassador in Tbilisi and notifying him of his plans for early elections, Saakashvili both defended the police action and expressed regret.

He said he had been forced to act against a plot organized by Russia to destabilize Georgia and its experiment in democracy, and insisted that he was protecting the country and not his own power.

"My chair is worth nothing to me; we care about countries, not chairs," he said. "Demand and you will receive. You demanded early elections. Here they are: early elections. Come and decide who you want to vote for."

"I do not want to be the president of a country that limits mass media and that declares emergency rule," he added. "I can only rule the country if I have a renewed mandate from the people."

He called on international organizations to send as many election observers as they wished to ensure that the campaign and the voting would be free, fair and clean.

Saakashvili's announcement effectively shaved nearly a year off his presidential term. It also marked a sharp shift from his emphatic refusal to change election dates or compromise with opposition demands.

The government clearly hoped the announcement would shift the opposition from a protest mode to a campaign mode, and demonstrate to voters and Georgia's international allies alike that Saakashvili, under intense pressure, had not chosen an autocratic path.

Although it was not clear that Saakashvili's concession would calm the anger among Georgia's citizens after the events of the previous day, the declaration of a special election was cheered by opposition leaders, who called it a victory and vindication of their protests.

"Saakashvili, I think, understood when he woke up that he basically fought against the whole country," Tina Khidasheli, a leader in the Republican Party, one of the many parties in the opposition movement, said by telephone. "I think that is what broke him finally - the reaction of the people."

There has not been an opposition politician in Georgia of Saakashvili's stature since he rose to power during peaceful protests in 2003. But the opposition said he had severely miscalculated with the crackdown, and that voters would reject him at the polls on Jan. 5.

"I believe he is done," Khidasheli said. "I believe he has no chances."

The shift in the government's position was made as Saakashvili and his government faced mounting international dismay.

Witnesses, diplomats, journalists and demonstrators on Wednesday described a day of frightening police action, as the riot police used tear gas, rubber bullets, batons and water cannon to chase demonstrators from the streets.

There were reports and video recordings of the police beating demonstrators who offered no resistance and of demonstrators in custody or prone on the ground.

The police also attacked some of the journalists on the streets, and seized or destroyed their equipment.

The United Nations, NATO and the European Union all expressed concern at the country's descent into official violence and the imposition of a state of emergency.

Thomas Hammarberg, the commissioner for human rights of the Council of Europe's Parliamentary Assembly, decried the events.

"My reaction is that, obviously, according to the reports we have received, there was excessive use of violence by the police against the demonstrators," he said by telephone.

Hammarberg said he was also alarmed that Georgia's human rights ombudsman, Sozar Subari, was severely beaten by the police, even after he identified himself, and that independent news sources had been closed.

He said that international human rights observers remained uncertain how many people had been arrested and how they had been treated.

"The blockade on news is a problem there, because the facts did not come out," he said.

There were indications that the authorities themselves, while they said that a police action was justified, were disturbed by elements of the events.

Shota Utiashvili, a senior official in the Interior Ministry, said that the ministry planned to investigate allegations of police misconduct and brutality once the state of emergency was lifted.

"We will sit down and investigate these cases once the crisis is over," he said by telephone.

He added that officers who beat journalists and seized or damaged their equipment had acted illegally. "Every officer had clear instructions not to touch the journalists, which they did not all follow, and we will investigate," he said.

Utiashvili said that none of the opposition leaders had been arrested and held, but said that a few dozen demonstrators had been arrested and would be charged in administrative court with charges, including hooliganism, that carry fines or sentences of not more than 30 days in prison.
 
JBoyd said:
I have heard some rumours, (probably unfounded and conspiricy theorist-like) that the current president of Russia is wanting and planning to restore Russia to its 'Former Glory'. Any proof to this?

Actually, you can find plenty of academic literature and research done on this. I recommend works by Dr. Julie Anderson and O. Kryshtanovskaya. Numerous members of the Siloviki (Putin's ex KGB/FSB gents club) have made blatant statements such as: "The Fall of the Soviet Union is worst thing it could have ever happened to Russia," "We are going to bring the glory of the Old Russian Empire and the Soviet Empire" and some other staff regarding Orthodoxy, Slavophilia and making the Russian "Nation-State" the most strategically significant whatever that means.
 
With the two neighbours bantering and at each others throats, politically and militarily speaking, here's a thread for News stories, commentaries et al on the subject.
Here's a couple recent articles.

Georgia accuses Russia of trying to annex breakaway region
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7350442.stm 
Article from April 16, 2008

Georgia has accused Russia of trying to annex the breakaway republics
of Abkhazia and South Ossetia with its decision to seek closer ties with them.


Moscow said it would intensify social and economic co-operation in the regions and recognise businesses and organisations registered there.

But Georgian Foreign Minister David Bakradze said this amounted to "de facto annexation" of its provinces.

Last month, both regions called on the UN to recognise their independence.

Tbilisi responded by warning Moscow not to take any step towards recognition.

A senior MP in the Georgian parliament, Shota Malashkhia, said it would lead Russian peacekeepers to be "outlawed" in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in the two republics since the early 1990s, when violence broke out as both regions tried to break free from Georgian control.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana was said to be "concerned" by what were described as "these unilateral decisions".

"We have always supported Georgia's territorial integrity," his spokeswoman Christina Gallach said.

Georgian TV reported that the country's Security Council convened in emergency session.

Moscow said its decision to recognise some documents issued by the republics' authorities was in the interests of their mainly Russian citizens and was not intended to inflame the situation.

"Our actions with regard to Abkhazia and South Ossetia do not mean that Russia is making a choice in favour of confrontation with Georgia," a foreign ministry statement said.

Abkhazia's Foreign Minister Sergei Shamba said Russia's decision would lead to a "breakthrough" in resolving economic, social and security issues.



Russia shoots down Georgian drone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7358761.stm  There is some pretty impressive video footage on the link
Article from April 21, 2008

A Russian fighter jet has shot down an unmanned
reconnaissance aircraft over the breakaway Georgian
region of Abkhazia, Georgian authorities say.


Georgia's defence ministry has released video showing what appears to be a Russian MiG-29 shooting down the unarmed Georgian drone on Sunday.

A Russian air force spokesman said the claim was "nonsense" while Abkhaz rebels said they had downed the drone.

Russia's leader asked why a drone had been present in a "conflict zone".

President Vladimir Putin expressed his concern in a phone call to Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, the Kremlin reported.

Mr Saakashvili himself went on Georgian TV to say he had "categorically demanded [of Mr Putin]... that these aggressive attacks on Georgia be stopped immediately".

Tensions are high between the two neighbours over Russian support for Abkhazia and another breakaway Georgian region, South Ossetia.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in the two regions since the early 1990s, when violence erupted as they broke free from Georgian control.

Tbilisi believes Moscow is fuelling the separatist conflict in Abkhazia to maintain Russian influence in the region and to damage Georgia's hopes of joining Nato, the BBC's Matthew Collin reports from Georgia.

'Absolutely illegal'

The video, shot from the drone moments before impact, shows a jet launching a missile over what appears to be the Black Sea.

"It's absolutely illegal for a Russian MiG-29 to be there," said Col David Nairashvili, the air force commander.

"Russian military aircraft intruded into Georgian airspace above Abkhazia, Georgia," said President Saakashvili on television.

"This aircraft attacked and destroyed a Georgian UAV [Unmanned Aerial Vehicle]. Once again, Georgia was exercising [its] sovereign right to monitor a situation on its own territory."

Abkhazia's separatist administration has said its own forces shot down the drone because it was violating Abkhaz airspace and breaching ceasefire agreements.

According to Russian reports from Sukhumi, the Abkhaz capital, the authorities there have put on display fragments of the drone.

Garry Kupalba, deputy defence minister of the unrecognised Republic of Abkhazia, told reporters the drone had been shot down by an "L-39 aircraft of the Abkhaz Air Force".

He also identified the drone as an Israeli-made Hermes 450.

'Destabilising'

President Putin viewed the presence of the drone as a "destabilising factor escalating tension", the Kremlin said.

"During an examination of the incident with the Georgian unmanned plane, Vladimir Putin expressed his perplexity over the fact that the Georgian side is organising military flights over a conflict zone," it added.

A Russian air force spokesman said: "What would a Russian jet fighter be doing over Georgian territory?"

Last week, Georgia accused Russia of trying to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia by deciding to seek closer ties with them.

Russia has said its proposal is aimed at protecting the rights and legal interests of Russian citizens, who make up the majority of the population in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Earlier this month, Nato decided not to grant Georgia's request to join its Membership Action Plan but promised it would eventually become a member of the alliance.

I don't imagine that entering 'hostilities' with Russia would be the wisest way for Georgia to gain membership with NATO anytime soon.



Midget


 
Russia denies shooting down drone, claims it was rebels
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7360864.stm
Article from April 22, 2008

Russian authorities have said that Abkhaz rebels
shot down an unmanned Georgian spy plane over the
breakaway region of Abkhazia.


The Russian foreign ministry also said the flight breached a 1994 peace accord which ended fighting in the province.

Georgia insists a Russian plane shot down the drone on Sunday, calling it an act of "open aggression".

The country's defence ministry has released footage showing what seems to be a Russian MiG-29 shooting the drone.

The video, shot from the drone moments before impact, shows a jet launching a missile over what appears to be the Black Sea.

'Evidence'


"We have hard evidence proving that this is the Russian military aircraft shooting down Georgian UAV [Unmanned Aerial Vehicle]," Temu Iakobashvili, the Georgian minister in charge of the breakaway regions, told the Associated Press news agency.

But in a statement, Russia's foreign ministry said the drone was shot down by Abkhaz anti-aircraft weapons.

Abkhazia's separatist administration has said its own forces shot down the drone because it was violating Abkhaz airspace and breaching ceasefire agreements.

Tensions are high between Russia and Georgia over Russian support for Abkhazia and another breakaway Georgian region, South Ossetia.

International involvement

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in the two regions since the early 1990s, when violence erupted as they broke free from Georgian control.

Tbilisi believes Moscow is fuelling the separatist conflict in Abkhazia to maintain Russian influence in the region and to damage Georgia's hopes of joining Nato.

Georgia has requested a UN Security Council meeting on the issue, due to be held on Wednesday and attended by the country's foreign minister David Bakradze.

Georgia's deputy prime minister was in London on Tuesday for meetings with British officials to try and garner international support for his country's position in the row with Russia.

Last week, Georgia accused Russia of trying to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia by deciding to seek closer ties with them.

You know, that video of the MiG-29 firing on the drone (successfully, I might add), would probably be quite hard to get away from and deny. I really didn't know that the rebels had access to MiGs.


US reassures Georgia over Russia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7362480.stm
Article from April 23, 2008

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has assured
Georgia that the US is firmly committed to supporting the
country's sovereignty.


Georgia says Russian moves to forge closer ties with two of its breakaway regions threaten its sovereignty.

The row between the two neighbours will be discussed at a closed-door session of the UN Security Council.

After meeting Georgia's foreign minister, Ms Rice said the US was "very concerned" by Russia's actions.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision last week to order closer links between Russia and Georgia's two breakaway regions - Abkhazia and South Ossetia - prompted outrage in Tbilisi.

Aggression claim

"Our commitment to Georgia and to its territorial integrity is firm," Ms Rice said in Washington where she met with her Georgian counterpart, David Bakradze.

"There should be no question as to Georgia's integrity and Georgia's full incorporation into the international community," she added.

he US secretary of state said the dispute between the two neighbours should be "worked out state-to-state".

Georgia is pressing the UN to back its claims of aggression from its powerful neighbour, Russia.

Earlier, Mr Bakradze said Georgia's clash with Russia represented a test for international institutions.

"Today, in 2008, the annexation of a neighbouring country is unacceptable for the international community," he said.

Tensions between the two countries flared after a Georgian spy drone was shot down over the breakaway region of Abkhazia on Sunday.

Spy plane row

Georgia's defence ministry produced a video which appeared to show footage of the unmanned aircraft being hit by a Russian jet, saying this constituted "an act of open aggression".

Russia has denied any involvement in the incident, blaming Abkhaz rebels, who have also claimed responsibility.

The Russian foreign ministry also said that the presence of the drone violated UN ceasefire agreements.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in the two regions since the early 1990s, when violence erupted as they broke free from Georgian control.

Russia has asserted that it is not seeking to inflame the situation but to try and protect the rights and legal interests of Russian citizens who make up the majority of the population in the two regions.


Midget

 
Russia criticized over strengthening ties with breakaway regions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7364544.stm
Article from April 24, 2008

Western powers have urged Russia to reverse
plans for closer ties with two breakaway Georgian
regions - plans which Georgia sees as a threat.


The US, Britain, France and Germany said they were "highly concerned" about Russia's moves.

The Russian president's order last week to forge closer links with Abkhazia and South Ossetia angered Tbilisi.

Russia's Ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, called the demand by the Western states "a tall order".

After a closed-door meeting of the UN Security Council in New York, the four states issued a statement saying: "We call on the Russian Federation to revoke or not to implement its decision."

Creeping annexation'

Georgia's foreign minister, who flew to the US for the talks and also met the US secretary of state on Wednesday, said Russia's "unilateral steps" amounted to "creeping annexation" of the two regions.

David Bakradze said Moscow's lifting of trade sanctions against Abkhazia risked allowing a military build-up in the region and represented a challenge to Georgia's jurisdiction over the area.

Russia's ambassador to the UN said there was nothing "anti-Georgian" in his country's moves.

He also underlined that Russia had no intention of reversing its plans.

"This is not the kind of thing which we would expect from our international partners," Mr Churkin said.

Tensions between the two countries flared after a Georgian spy drone was shot down over the breakaway region of Abkhazia on Sunday.

Spy plane row

Georgia's defence ministry produced a video which appeared to show the unmanned aircraft shot down by a Russian jet, saying this constituted "an act of open aggression".

Russia has denied any involvement in the incident, blaming Abkhaz rebels, who have also claimed responsibility.

But the four Western countries condemned the downing of the spy plane, calling on all parties, "to renounce any armed or military action and to respect Georgia's sovereignty".

The Russian foreign ministry says the presence of the drone violated UN ceasefire agreements and has suggested the footage is fake.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in the two regions since the early 1990s, when violence erupted as they broke free from Georgian control.

Russia has asserted that it is not seeking to inflame the situation but to try and protect the rights and legal interests of Russian citizens who make up the majority of the population in the two regions.


Georgia-Russia tensions 'Ramped up'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7374546.stm
Article from April 29, 2008

Georgia has reacted angrily to Russia's accusation
it is preparing to invade the breakaway region of Abkhazia.


Russia says it is boosting its own troops in Abkhazia and Georgia's other breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Georgia's prime minister called the Russian move "irresponsible". The EU also urged caution, saying it was unwise given current tensions.

Russia's foreign minister said his country was not preparing for war but would "retaliate" to any attack.

Russia says Georgia is massing 1,500 soldiers and police in the upper Kodori Gorge, the only part of Abkhazia which remains under government control.

'Retaliatory measures'

A statement from the Russian foreign ministry said that "a bridgehead is being prepared for the start of military operations against Abkhazia".

In response, it said, it was increasing Russian peacekeepers in both Abkhazia and Georgia's other breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Georgia denies any build-up of its own forces in the area, and says that Russia is taking provocative action.

"We think that this step, if they take it, will cause extreme destabilisation in the region," said Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze.

"From now on, we consider every [Russian] soldier or any unit of military equipment coming in [to Abkhazia and South Ossetia] as illegal, potential aggressors and potential generators of destabilisation."

After meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana called on Russia to show restraint.

"Even if the increase in peacekeepers is within limits, if we want to diminish the perception of tensions, I don't think it is a wise measure to increase now," Mr Solana said.

Mr Lavrov said that Russia had to protect Russian-passport holders in the regions and that if Georgia took military action, Russia would have to take "retaliatory measures".

Mr Solana's comments reflect a growing concern that Nato's promise to admit Georgia as a member one day, despite strong Russian opposition, could have unpredictable consequences, says the BBC's European affairs correspondent Oana Lungescu.

Peacekeeping force


Russia has kept a peacekeeping force in Abkhazia and South Ossetia under an agreement made following the wars of the 1990s, when the regions broke away from Tbilisi and formed links with Moscow.

There are around 2,000 Russians posted in Abkhazia, and about 1,000 in South Ossetia.

Tensions between Russia and Georgia have flared up recently, despite Russia lifting economic sanctions against Georgia earlier this month.

Last week Georgia accused a Russian plane of shooting down an unmanned Georgian spy plane - which Russian authorities insisted was shot down by Abkhaz rebels.

And on Tuesday Georgia said it was blocking Russia's entry to the World Trade Organization.

Many in Abkhazia believe that Kosovo's announcement of independence from Serbia in February provides a precedent for it to be recognised as an individual state.

Although it has its own flag and postage stamps, it is not internationally recognised.

Our correspondent in the area says that with this latest statement the Russian government has pushed the already bellicose rhetoric between the two countries to a new level.


Midget
 
Tensions
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/world/europe/30briefs-GEORGIARUSSI_BRF.html?ref=world
Article from April 30, 2008

  Tensions flared again between Russia and Georgia, its southern neighbor, after both sides accused each other of an improper military buildup related to a disputed border area. Georgia criticized Russia for sending extra peacekeeping troops to Abkhazia, the breakaway region of Georgia that is allied with Moscow. The Kremlin said in turn that it had evidence that Georgia was planning to attack Abkhazia, a charge denied by the Georgian government.


Georgie accuses Russia of 'full-scale military aggression'
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ihZnAy4551IBb0C-6R0Oi-7Z0Sag
Article from April 30, 2008

BRUSSELS (AFP) — Georgia on Wednesday slammed Russia's plans to boost peacekeeping troops in two rebel Georgian regions as the start of "full scale military aggression".

"It's hard to believe that this is being done for the purposes of peacekeeping, it's rather the beginning of full scale military aggression," Georgia's top diplomat, David Bakradze, told AFP.

His remarks came after Russia's defence ministry announced Tuesday an increase in peacekeeping forces to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in response to what it called aggressive moves by pro-Western Georgia.

Bakradze accused Russia of strengthening "de facto control on the ground" in Abkhazia in the last three months and establishing direct ties with the local authorities, which "questions Georgia's jurisdiction".

The Russian peacekeeping announcement only fuelled problems, said President Mikheil Saakashvili's new "special representative", who resigned as foreign minister last week to run for parliament.

"The Georgian side, as the host country, should be notified in advance and there should be consent from Georgia on any troop deployment, including peacekeepers. We have not been notified," he said.

"Peacekeeping is not strengthened by unilateral steps," he told AFP by telephone during a trip to Brussels.

Russia has a peacekeeping force in the regions under an agreement with Georgia from the 1990s following wars in which separatists broke away and established close ties with Moscow, which has encouraged residents there to take Russian citizenship.

The Russian defence ministry, which accused Georgia of massing troops near the rebel areas, did not say how many extra soldiers were being sent, but said that 15 new observation posts would be set up on the front line in Abkhazia.

Around 2,000 Russians serve there and a further 1,000 in South Ossetia.


Midget
 
Wow I need to sit down and address all of these concerns some day. I wish I had the time.

1) Lets look at the history of these "break-away" regions. These regions were "republics", if you could put a term to them, of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union, including Georgia, which did not include the Abkhazia and, what was then known as "ossetia". Under Stalin, it was decided that it would be easier to merge north Ossetia with the region above, and to let south ossetia be administered by the georgian region of the soviet union. Keep in mind that this was done for *administrative* reasons, Ossetians were always genetically and culturally different from Georgia. After the break up of the Soviet Union, Georgia declairs independence and "proclaims" its borders to include these regions. From the start these regions never agreed to be part of Georgia and a conflict began, which culminated with the presence of Russian peacekeepers. These regions are already de facto independent and Georgian spy planes are not even allowed to enter their air-space, as well as Georgian forces which are kept apart by the Russian army. Currently, close to 80% of those living in these regions hold Russian passports and are culturally and ethnically Russian. However, due to the millitary conflict, the presence of peacekeepers, and the de facto independence Russians in these regions are not able to obtain consular services and their "documents" are not recognized by the world community. For example, if Abkazia is de facto independent and issues a note to a citizen, the world community does not recognize it, even thought it is perfectly valid and binding in abhkazia. So what is Russia to do? Leave its citizens stranded in no-mans land for the hopes of strenthening relations with NATO, whose member state which refuse to even ratify the conventional forces in europe treaty, the moratorium of which was so loudly demonized in the west? Given the precendet of Kosovo (and after long thought, I still fail to see how the Kosovo case is "unique", it is the same racial conflict, the same de facto independence), Russia has to the full legal and moral right to recognize documents issued by the AUTONOMOUS, DE FACTO governments of these regions.

Given the precendence of Georgian actions in the past, I highly suspect that the Georgian spy plane flew into protected air space *intentionally*, being unmanned, in order to be shot down. This is simmilar to the disinformation campaign about Russia bombing a Georgian EMPTY FIELD some time back, which I also find completely ridiculous. Canada should not support Georgia in its bid for NATO membership. To see how truly "democratic" Georgia is, read about Irakli Okruashvili.
 
uncle-midget-boyd said:
You know, that video of the MiG-29 firing on the drone (successfully, I might add), would probably be quite hard to get away from and deny. I really didn't know that the rebels had access to MiGs.

Are you sure it is Mig-29 and not Su-27 or F-15? This video proves absolutely nothing.
Georgia is still trying to play that-old-bad-aggresive-Russia card.
After the fiasco at NATO's summit in last April, it is pretty clear that provocations like this one just must happen.
 
I think this whole ordeal smell a lot like the previous incident of Russia *allegedly* bombing an empty field a while back. Besides, the drone should not have been there anyway and shooting it down was the appropriate response. I think Georgia is planning millitary action against these regions and was conducting prep rec. work. I can see why Russia and these regions would be nervious. Of course, Saakashvili is deperately trying to get into NATO so he can hide behind NATO in future provokations of Russia and attempt to kick out Russian peacekeepers, which would be followed by his taking control of the regions again. I understand that there are pipelines going through Georgia, and this could be the reason the US is pushing for entry of Georgia into NATO. I am not sure because I haven't looked exactly at where the pipeline lies and whether it passes through these regions.
 
How would Georgia even qualify for NATO? You know, the NORTH ATLANTIC part in the name.
 
Caucasus in crisis: Georgia invades rebel region
The Caucasus have descended into crisis after Georgian troops launched a full-scale military assault against Moscow-backed rebels in an attempt to wrest control of the breakaway region of South Ossetia.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2519908/Caucasus-in-crisis-Georgia-invades-rebel-region.html

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 1:26AM BST 08 Aug 2008
Georgian military commanders confirmed an invasion began in the early hours of Friday morning, raising fears of a serious diplomatic crisis between the country's western allies and Moscow.
The United States swiftly called for calm, but appeared to apportion more blame on Moscow and the separatist forces it supports for taking the volatile region to the brink of war.
"We're urging Moscow to press South Ossetia's de facto leaders to stop firing," a US State department official said. "We're urging Tbilisi to maintain restraint."
Just hours after Mikheil Saaskashvili, Georgia's pro-western president, declared a unilateral ceasefire, his armed forces began an artillery barrage against Tskhinvali, the rebel capital.
Military commanders indicated that a full-scale invasion was underway and would not stop until Georgia had regain control of the self-proclaimed republic, which attempted to secede in a bloody war that ended, unresolved in 1994.
"Despite our call for peace and a unilateral ceasefire, separatists continued the shelling of Georgian villages," Mamuka Kurashvili, a senior Georgian commander, said. "We are forced to restore constitutional order in the whole region." A rapid deterioration in the separatist crisis began over the weekend when at least six people were killed in a shoot-out after an improvised explosive device detonated as a Georgian military convoy drove past.
 
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