Foreign interference in Canada/stretched RCMP

[The Bread Guy]

Many nations include their border police, national police and coast guards budgets as defence spending. If you include the Public Safety portfolio in "defence", then maybe we'd hit our 2%.

Based on this (gov't spending) and this (GDP), if you throw in DND, VAC and Public Safety/Emergency Management, all told, you're still just under 2%.

OP edit to fix spelling error - thanks @Kirkhill!

 

[Kirkhill]

Based on this (gov't spending) and this (GDP), if you throw in DND, VAC and Public Safety/Emergency Management all tolled, you're still just under 2%.

"All tolled"?

 

[Kirkhill]

The Home Office spends some £25 billion each year to keep UK citizens safe and our borders secure by reducing crime; tackling terrorism; enabling the legitimate movement of people and goods to support economic prosperity; and tackling illegal migration.Oct 23, 2023

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/014017-Home-Office-Departmental-Overview-FINAL.pdf

Defence spending with UK industry by the Ministry of Defence has topped £25 billion for the first time, official statistics have revealed. The 2022/23 statistics, published today, detail the money spent by the MOD with UK defence companies.Feb 8, 2024

UK defence industry spending tops £25 billion for first time

Defence spending with UK industry by the Ministry of Defence has topped £25 billion for the first time, official statistics have revealed.

www.gov.uk

25 BUKP seems to be about 2.2% of GDP

That suggests that the UK is spending 4.4% of GDP on "Public Safety".

 

[OldSolduer]

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/014017-Home-Office-Departmental-Overview-FINAL.pdf

UK defence industry spending tops £25 billion for first time

Defence spending with UK industry by the Ministry of Defence has topped £25 billion for the first time, official statistics have revealed.

www.gov.uk

25 BUKP seems to be about 2.2% of GDP

That suggests that the UK is spending 4.4% of GDP on "Public Safety".

But the UK has those pesky French to contend with.

 

[FSTO]

How much of that's courtesy US influence? Not necessarily sinister, THEY KILLED THE ARROW TO KEEP US DOWN nonsense, but corporate nudges to avoid competition? Canada came out of WWII with a fairly healthy defence manufacturing sector.

I wouldn't necessarily blame social programs so much as this perverse desire to be seen as global good guys, which started somewhere around the Suez crisis.

Pearson got the Nobel BECAUSE the US supported the idea of peacekeeping troops and that Canada was the perfect go between with the UK and France. The Americans were furious with them because this happened at the same time as the Hungarian uprising.

Canadian diplomats at the time had a massive outsized impact on post war world affairs. We have not accepted the reality that the glory days are long in the past.

 

[Kirkhill]

But the UK has those pesky French to contend with.

We work together - we need them and they need us. The programme has worked for the best part of a millenium.

 

[The Bread Guy]

"All tolled"?

Misheard lyrics - thanks for that!

 

[Kirkhill]

"All tolled"?

I was impressed. I figured it worked either way. All told - all in or All-tolled - all costed.

 

[Good2Golf]

I wouldn't necessarily blame social programs so much as this perverse desire to be seen as global good guys, which started somewhere around the Suez crisis.

Like when Canada deliberately side-stepped being a permanent member of the UNSC, because it wanted to have its contribution to nuclear power (after it contributed to the Manhattan Project, of course) used for good, not evil…hence why France got the ‘well then, who else do we offer the seat to?’ seat, and Canada concentrated on proliferating peaceful nuclear technology to, ummm….(checks notes)….uhhhh….previously heretofore in-nuclear armed Pakistan and India…

If there were a U.N. Naivety Council, Canada would be the Permanent Chair…