CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[Eagle_Eye_View]

You're right I contacted my OR and right now they are compiling names of people affected by this. Rumors are they want this completed by March next year.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Any one who OT'd into a spec trade after 2004 should probably speak to their orderly room. IAW the CBI, all time served plus the time spent in the jnr. Sub OCC was supposed to be counter to calculation of IPC I  the specialist pay category. They have been only using the time in the jnr sub OCC to calculate it. A number of grievances have resulted in D Mil Pay going back to correct the error. We received an email about it on Monday. There are like 1400 pers across the forces affected, so if you may be one of them make sure you are on the list.

Edit: I will try to post the message when I get into work tonight.

Woot...Christmas money!  8)

 

[TCM621]

Here is the message (on DWAN) http://cmp.mil.ca/assets/CMP_Intranet/docs/en/aig-1760-006-17.pdf

Also http://cmp-cpm.mil.ca/assets/CMP_Intranet/docs/en/aig-1760-008-17.pdf

 

[Eye In The Sky]

If the message is UNCLASS etc...any chance someone can post it up?  I am away from my postal code and the DWAN for awhile.

 

[Eagle_Eye_View]

I'll post it tomorrow when I go back to work.

 

[TCM621]

If the message is UNCLASS etc...any chance someone can post it up?  I am away from my postal code and the DWAN for awhile.

the message was a scanned PDF so I could only copy the picture of text. Sorry.

 

[Sub_Guy]

FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWA
TO AIG 1760
AIG 1742
BT
UNCLAS AIG 006/17
SIC WHA
SUBJ: AMENDMENT - CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOT
REF: CBI 203.03(5) PAY ON OCCUPATIONAL TRANSFER
1. AS A RESULT OF THE CBI VERSION DATED 1 APR 2004, NUMEROUS
GRIEVANCES HAVE BEEN GRANTED AS A RESULT OF A DISCREPANCY IN THE
DETERMINATION OF A MEMBER S PAY INCREMENT (PI) UPON BECOMING
OCCUPATIONALLY QUALIFIED IN A SPECIALIST TRADE GROUP.  IT HAS BEEN
DETERMINED THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO RECTIFY THE PI LEVEL
ASSESSMENT.  A NEW CBI HAS BEEN APPROVED BUT UNTIL IT IS RELEASED
MEMBERS THAT HAVE VOT SINCE 1 APR 2004, SHALL HAVE ALL THEIR TIME IN
RANK AND IC COUNT TOWARDS THEIR SPECIALIST TRADE.  THIS APPLIES TO
BOTH SPECIALIST 1 AND SPECIALIST 2 TRADES.
2. AN ANALYSIS OF 1852 PAY RECORDS ARE AFFECTED BY THIS ISSUE. 



PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1014 UNCLAS
GIVEN THE NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF FILES, MIL PAY OPS WILL PROCEED WITH
CORRECTIVE ACTION TO ADJUST THE PAY INCREMENT OF ALL SERVING,
RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS.
3.  MPAO S OF REG F AND RES F UNITS CAN CONTACT MIL PAY IN ORDER TO
OBTAIN A LIST OF AFFECTED MEMBERS FOR THEIR UNIT.
4. FOR MORE INFORMATION, AFFECTED MEMBERS SHOULD CONTACT THEIR LOCAL
PAY OFFICE AND QUERIES MAY BE DIRECTED TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK VIA
ASSYST.
END OF ENGLISH TEXT / DEBUT DU TEXTE FRANCAIS

 

[Sub_Guy]

R 141513Z AUG 17
FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWA
TO AIG 1760
AIG 1742
BT
UNCLAS AIG 008/17
SUBJ: REVISED CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOT
REF:  AIG 006/17 2418216Z JUL 17
1. THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF COMPLETION FOR FILES IS 31 MAR 2018.  THIS
DATE COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIES AND WORK LOAD OF MIL
PAY STAFF.  PAY NOTES WILL BE ADDED BY MIL PAY TO INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS
WHEN ADJUSTMENTS, IF NECESSARY, ARE COMPLETED. UNITS SHOULD NOT SEND
IN ASSYST TICKETS WITH INQUIRIES ON EXPECTED COMPLETION DATES OF
ACCOUNTS.  WHEN ALL WORK IS COMPLETED MIL PAY WILL SEND OUT AN
ADVISORY.
2. IF UNITS HAVE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A LISTING OF THEIR AFFECTED
MEMBERS AND A MEMBER IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE LISTING, SUBMIT A
TICKET TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK TO HAVE THE MEMBER ADDED TO THE LIST
FOR REVIEW AS PART OF THE PROJECT.  UNITS WILL NEED TO ACTION SPEC



PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1002 UNCLAS
PAY TIME CREDIT CALCULATION IAW AIG 006 17 FOR ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE
QUALIFYING TIME AFTER 24 JUL 2017 AS THESE MEMBERS WILL NOT BE
ACTIONED BY MIL PAY.
3. RPPO WILL BE THE POC AND WILL BE CORRECTING ACCOUNTS FOR ALL
RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS.  CONTACT INFORMATION FOR RPPO CAN BE
FOUND ON THE DMPAP WEBPAGE: 
HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PAY/INDEX.PAGE
END OF ENGLISH TEXT /

 

[Eye In The Sky]

awesome thanks!

 

[Lumber]

What, exactly, is the requirement for a trade to receive spec pay? I legitimately do not know.

 

[Lumber]

Damn, you guys are quick.

 

[mariomike]

What, exactly, is the requirement for a trade to receive spec pay? I legitimately do not know.

You neeed to have a technical job, requiring a significant amount of training, with skills easily transferable to the civi world . . . it is a sort of "please don‘t leave the CF" pay.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It's all laid out here by MOSID.

Pay Overview -->  http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/pay-overview.page

Team Concept

As is the case in most militaries, the CAF uses a rank-based team concept or institutional approach to determine pay. In this methodology, the average value of the work performed by all members of a specific rank level is considered in developing pay. This is quite different from the more common Public Service method in which an individual is paid the evaluated worth for the specific position they are filling. In exceptional cases, market factors force the CAF to consider a handful of military occupations, such as doctors, dentists, lawyers and some high-tech trades, separate from the majority of CAF members. However, within these special occupations, the team concept is applied.

Pay Groups

Non-Commissioned Members

Non-commissioned members are paid rates of pay determined through TC analysis. Within each rank there are a number of Pay Increments (PI) which represent automatic annual increases given in recognition of advancements in experience, skill and knowledge. As well, there are three sub-groups of pay into which non-commissioned member trade groups are slotted. These sub-groups are Standard, Specialist 1 and Specialist 2 and pay rates vary in each sub-group. The Specialist 1 and Specialist 2 sub-groups, which include trades such as Fire Control Systems Technicians, Flight Engineers, Biomedical Electronics Technicians, and Marine Engineering Artificers, comprise jobs which are highly complex in nature and whose skills are in high demand in the private sector.

Reg Force Spec pay -->  http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/specialist-pay-reg-force-ncm-mosids.page

Res Force Spec pay -->  http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/specialist-pay-res-force-ncm-mosids.page

 

[cinderblocked]

R 141513Z AUG 17
FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWA
TO AIG 1760
AIG 1742
BT
UNCLAS AIG 008/17
SUBJ: REVISED CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOT
REF:  AIG 006/17 2418216Z JUL 17
1. THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF COMPLETION FOR FILES IS 31 MAR 2018.  THIS
DATE COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIES AND WORK LOAD OF MIL
PAY STAFF.  PAY NOTES WILL BE ADDED BY MIL PAY TO INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS
WHEN ADJUSTMENTS, IF NECESSARY, ARE COMPLETED. UNITS SHOULD NOT SEND
IN ASSYST TICKETS WITH INQUIRIES ON EXPECTED COMPLETION DATES OF
ACCOUNTS.  WHEN ALL WORK IS COMPLETED MIL PAY WILL SEND OUT AN
ADVISORY.
2. IF UNITS HAVE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A LISTING OF THEIR AFFECTED
MEMBERS AND A MEMBER IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE LISTING, SUBMIT A
TICKET TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK TO HAVE THE MEMBER ADDED TO THE LIST
FOR REVIEW AS PART OF THE PROJECT.  UNITS WILL NEED TO ACTION SPEC



PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1002 UNCLAS
PAY TIME CREDIT CALCULATION IAW AIG 006 17 FOR ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE
QUALIFYING TIME AFTER 24 JUL 2017 AS THESE MEMBERS WILL NOT BE
ACTIONED BY MIL PAY.
3. RPPO WILL BE THE POC AND WILL BE CORRECTING ACCOUNTS FOR ALL
RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS.  CONTACT INFORMATION FOR RPPO CAN BE
FOUND ON THE DMPAP WEBPAGE: 
HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PAY/INDEX.PAGE
END OF ENGLISH TEXT /

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if someone completes the trade course that grants them Spec pay, would the move from (for example) Corporal 3 pay incentive to Corporal 3 (Specialist pay) ? or would it reset?

cheers

 

[TCM621]

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if someone completes the trade course that grants them Spec pay, would the move from (for example) Corporal 3 pay incentive to Corporal 3 (Specialist pay) ? or would it reset?

cheers

The way it works is that upon qualifying for Spec pay (QL5 Cpl for most trades), you are entitled to spec pay at the rate of any pervious time spent at the rank of Cpl or a above + any time spent in the new trade prior to qualifying for spec pay. For Example:

Cpl Bloggins is a Cpl IPC 2 infantryman. Cpl Bloggins transfers to AVN tech 1 Jan 15. He received his QL 5 AVN tech 13 Jan 17. He has 3 years as a CPL in the infantry. He has 2 years as a AVN-jnr (ie apprentice). 3 +2 equals 5 years at as a Cpl. He will now be paid as a Cpl IPC 4 Spec 1.

 

[trooper142]

The way it works is that upon qualifying for Spec pay (QL5 Cpl for most trades), you are entitled to spec pay at the rate of any pervious time spent at the rank of Cpl or a above + any time spent in the new trade prior to qualifying for spec pay. For Example:

Cpl Bloggins is a Cpl IPC 2 infantryman. Cpl Bloggins transfers to AVN tech 1 Jan 15. He received his QL 5 AVN tech 13 Jan 17. He has 3 years as a CPL in the infantry. He has 2 years as a AVN-jnr (ie apprentice). 3 +2 equals 5 years at as a Cpl. He will now be paid as a Cpl IPC 4 Spec 1.

:goodpost:

The way it was explained to me is your spec pay is calculated based on time in MOSID. This was frustrating for me because I am Cpl 4(previous time in another trade) about to get spec pay upon completion of QL5, and I would have been bumped to Cpl 2 spec 1.

I am delighted to see this is not the case, and I will bump over to Cpl 4 Spec 1.

Thanks for the clarifying information.

 

[CAFtastic]

I'm about to join up for a specialist 1 trade (cyber op). On the specialist pay list, it says that spec pay applies to Cpl and higher ranks.

Does that mean that there is an automatic promotion to Cpl when trade training is complete? Also, prior to completing trade training, will I stay at the bottom Pvt pay step?

Thanks for clearing things up.

 

[Kokanee]

I'm about to join up for a specialist 1 trade (cyber op). On the specialist pay list, it says that spec pay applies to Cpl and higher ranks.

Does that mean that there is an automatic promotion to Cpl when trade training is complete? Also, prior to completing trade training, will I stay at the bottom Pvt pay step?

Thanks for clearing things up.

It means that you have had to have completed the trades training, AND be Cpl or above.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Normally, NCMs are promoted to Cpl after 48 months of service and completion of whatever trade training requirements (may differ by trade).  There is a chance of being what is called accelerated promoted, but that is the exception, not the rule usually.

 

[Loachman]

will I stay at the bottom Pvt pay step?

Seemingly minor point, perhaps, but the abbreviation for "Private" in Canada and elsewhere in the Commonwealth is "Pte".

"Pvt" is American, but also a joking abbreviation for "pervert" (or at least was in the not-that-distant past) here.