CADPAT Rain Gear

[George Wallace]

ffs we will get it when we get it.

Same here.

Ah! Yess!  The old addage: "Nothing is too good for the Troops, so nothing is what they will get."  :nod:


;D

 

[George Wallace]

Having just returned from a day in the rain on the range, and lying on the firing point in my old olive drab issue rainsuit and staying perfectly dry, I wonder if a CADPAT rainsuit would have hid me any better when covered with mud, or in a torrential downpour.    :-\  As soon as I do anything physical, I have to take off my rainsuit, rain or shine, because I overheat and sweat more than any rain could soak me.    :camo:  Oh, well, some day I too may have a LCF suit to wear while standing in the rain.  ;D

 

[Soldier1stTradesman2nd]

Wonder what your OD rainsuit is made of? Mine lets moisture in, seams or no seams.

Civvy Gore-Tex jacket, on the other hand, has protected me 100% in many downpours. I would trust this tech more than the neoprene junk we currently have.

 

[George Wallace]

Wonder what your OD rainsuit is made of? Mine lets moisture in, seams or no seams.

Civvy Gore-Tex jacket, on the other hand, has protected me 100% in many downpours. I would trust this tech more than the neoprene junk we currently have.

How old is your rainsuit?  How worn is it?  If it feels like denim, and not rubberized, then go in and exchange it.  It is worn out/broken/toast/ N/S or U/S or whatever you want to call it, and not worth packing around/wearing; so go in and get a new one. 

 

[Soldier1stTradesman2nd]

It still feels and looks like a rainsuit. How old it is, I don't know. Made by Century 21 Apparels Ltd. The seams are shot, tape is slowly peeling off and the rubber material just doesn't seem to hold water (unless it's sweat, then it's great!). I have entertained the option of getting it exchanged, but having overheard folks at Clothing talking about getting rid of old raingear stock in preparation for the CCR, I doubt I would have much luck in getting a new set of the old stuff.
It would be interesting to see how the supply of the CCR moves along the Priority ranking. Being in the NCR, Pri 6, I don't have high hopes for any movement anytime soon.

 

[George Wallace]

Give them a try.  I was surprised that mine were dated 1996. 

No mfr listed on label:

W8463-5-BB0F/001-PE     
8405-21-912-4801   
7040       
08 1996


If you wait, they will have made their move over to Gatineau.  (Half their stores are there now.)

 

[danchapps]

Guys on roto 1-09 have received it, so like chapeski said, it's being phased in.

The task forces have been issued this kit for a while now. This being said, the kit that the TF's have been issued of the last, lets say year and a half, that was all an interim purchase that was meant to hold the CF over (issuing only to TF types) until a main contract was signed (just this past January). Those that have been issued it on previous TF's are able to keep the TW pattern, however must return the Arid pattern upon completion of the mission. The reason that the TF's are issued the TW pattern is so that they are accustomed to the kit that is worn overseas. I've heard folks say that this stuff is never worn over there, but it is, it's just the Arid stuff.

With any luck this manufacturer is able to produce the product in a quick manner, and the troops can finally get the kit they've all been begging for. (Side note, the company that was manufacturing the temp kit is also the company that won the contract for the not so temp kit, thus able to keep the current line open, and pumping out the gear without having to worry about getting patterns and what-not sorted out.)

 

[armyvern]

I have entertained the option of getting it exchanged, but having overheard folks at Clothing talking about getting rid of old raingear stock in preparation for the CCR, I doubt I would have much luck in getting a new set of the old stuff.

No option there. Those folks in clothing aren't getting "rid of it" in preparation for the cadpat gear.

They are getting rid of it by shipping it either to Saint Jean or here to Gagetown for Loan Pools. The OD raingear is one of the 92 line items on the CLS Strategic Op Clothing Plan.

We can't issue it to anyone anymore permanently (or exchange it either). All we can do is issue it on temp basis via a loan to "candidates undergoing training". They are Pri 1 (after international ops of course).

The reason for that is because there's been a prolonged national shortage of certain items (see list mentioned above) and CLS has deemed prioritiy for their items to be:

1) International Ops;
2) a.  All Reg F Recruits undergoing BMQ;
    b.  followed by all Reg F Army recruits undergoing Army courses such as CAP;
3) Res F recruits undergoing trg (IF quantities left over after satisfying above   
    requirements permit).

4) Everyone else.

Also on that list is rucksacks (old style). And no, I have no raingear and no, I can't issue a ruck or raingear (or exchange for) to anyone actually "posted" to this base.

CANLANDGEN 013/08 CLS 028/08 also refers, but I'll quote the CLS Strategic Plan:

CLS G4 approved (13 Apr 08) a Strategic Operational Clothing plan consisting of redistribution for immediate implementation.
The intent is to prioritize and structure the operational clothing distribution in order to improve the support and sustain all CLS (Army) Operations and Training.
The Plan includes two different parts.
1) Operational clothing distribution: establishment of priorities, distribution of LF Area loan pools and manage the clothing redistribution IAW CLS  priorities.
2) Operational clothing recovering: return of all the clothing held in first line units with an end state of clothing being stocked at only three  locations (CFSD, 2nd line Clothing Stores and IAs).
...
...
...
In order to kit the CC2 (Army) recruits IAW CFS D01-301 - Army G4 Sup has prioritized the clothing distribution IAW support to Operations and Training:
Priority 1, Distribution of Clothing to the Regular Force Recruits.
Priority 2, Distribution of Clothing to the Reserve Recruits.

Note: The only reason why the priority is granted to the Reg force recruits is because they represent a higher percentage of personnel which deploy on operations.

 

[NL_engineer]

Having just returned from a day in the rain on the range, and lying on the firing point in my old olive drab issue rainsuit and staying perfectly dry, I wonder if a CADPAT rainsuit would have hid me any better when covered with mud, or in a torrential downpour.    :-\  As soon as I do anything physical, I have to take off my rainsuit, rain or shine, because I overheat and sweat more than any rain could soak me.    :camo:  Oh, well, some day I too may have a LCF suit to wear while standing in the rain.  ;D

It would have been heaver, bulkier, and the tape on the seems seems to like coming off when put on/taken off.

 

[Soldier1stTradesman2nd]

If you wait, they will have made their move over to Gatineau.  (Half their stores are there now.)

You're talking about the much rumoured move of the NDHQ clothing stores? Anyone have any further on this, and what impact this will have (aside from extra travel requirements) on availability of kit?

 

[MedCorps]

Today I was (unfortunately) in a briefing where some fellow went off for a solid 45 minutes on the new rain suit, affectionately called the CCR, or CADPAT Converged Rainsuit. 

Here are the more interesting bits...

The contract has been awarded to Peerless Garments of Winnipeg.  They will be making 74,000 of these outfits, which we were assured would be more than enough to go around for everyone.

It is an improvement on the Air Force "2-in-1" rainsuit and will have custom fit options, better ventilation and more pockets.  It will be issued in CADPAT AR and TW.

Fielding...

1 - OP Stock
2 - OP Pers
3 - School Troops with no rain gear on their individual acct
4 - Pers on a NTM
5 - LFA's Reg F and Res F
6 - Everyone else in the Army
7 - Specialized Units not in the Army CoC

Sooner or later all army folk will be entitled to 1 x CTS CCR.  What I thought amusing was that Army folks who have been crafty enough to get issued a Air Force 2-in-1 suit will be last on the list to get the CCR as you cannot trade the AF 2-in1 suit for a CCR, only a OG 107 suit for a CCR until the initial fielding is done.

Despite the priority of issue above the real issue plan was then brought up. When questioned on why the real issue plan did not match the proposed issue plan the fellow at the front of the room looked puzzled, mumbled something about the COS for Land Ops not talking with DLR, who did not talk to DSSPM when the LCMM was out of the office. It was fun to watch him squirm for the 30 seconds, then I lost interest and went back to surfing for porn on my bosses blackberry.

We were told, as of today that 2700 of these things are in Op Stock and 2200 have been / are being issued to LFTDS Units with CMTC at the top of the pile and CFSCE being at the bottom of the pile.

Next issues are as fol:

End Jun 09 - OP PODIUM
Start Aug 09 - 4 AD Regt, 4 ESR, CFJIRU 
Start Sept 09 - TF 1-10
End Sept 09 - LFCA

Mid Dec 09 - LFWA (someone made a joke about canceling X-mas leave for the issue, it was again not well received).

Start May 10 - TF 3-10 and 5-10
End May 10 - SQFT
Mid July 10 - LFAA

Mid Aug 10 - LF HQ, NDHQ pers who are entitled, all other army CC2 pers in an unsupported location. All recruits at point of entry.

The total issue of 35,200 suits to Army pers was then mentioned.  Wait... what happened to the 74,000 that was mentioned on slide 2?  (Someone made a joke about accounting for e-bay loss, which set the presenter off on this fit of excitement ... it was funny).  The other 38,800 are back up stock.  Makes sense to me, but then again I am not a bin rat. Lots of conversation then started about estimated procurement models versus actual requirement and costing of such things.  I went to the washroom and did not come back.

So... they are in the pipe...

I hope that is of some interest to everyone.  Truth be told I only stayed because I knew it was a Army.ca hot topic (and I wanted to know how to get a new CCR before all of the people that really need it).

Cheers,

MC

 

[chrisf]

Having just returned from a day in the rain on the range, and lying on the firing point in my old olive drab issue rainsuit and staying perfectly dry, I wonder if a CADPAT rainsuit would have hid me any better when covered with mud, or in a torrential downpour.    :-\ 

I can imagine it will... the current goretex combat jacket/windpants certainly do... I've been in some ridiculous down pours in mine... in all seasons (Including nasty wet east coast sleet storms)... any time I've discovered anyone who claims their goretex leaks, it's because they haven't washed it since christ was a corpral.

 

[dapaterson]

From what I've seen, there are two easy ways to get either the CCR or AF 2 in 1:

(1) Work in DLR.

(2) Be married to someone in DLR.

 

[chris_log]

From what I've seen, there are two easy ways to get either the CCR or AF 2 in 1:

(1) Work in DLR.

(2) Be married to someone in DLR.

Most people where I am have it, although it's still Ops Restricted here.

 

[PuckChaser]

and 2200 have been / are being issued to LFTDS Units

Sweet!! Finally a benefit to being the only operational unit within LFDTS!

 

[armyvern]

Today I was (unfortunately) in a briefing where some fellow went off for a solid 45 minutes on the new rain suit, affectionately called the CCR, or CADPAT Converged Rainsuit. 

Here are the more interesting bits...

The contract has been awarded to Peerless Garments of Winnipeg.  They will be making 74,000 of these outfits, which we were assured would be more than enough to go around for everyone.

It is an improvement on the Air Force "2-in-1" rainsuit and will have custom fit options, better ventilation and more pockets.  It will be issued in CADPAT AR and TW.

Fielding...

1 - OP Stock
2 - OP Pers
3 - School Troops with no rain gear on their individual acct
4 - Pers on a NTM
5 - LFA's Reg F and Res F
6 - Everyone else in the Army
7 - Specialized Units not in the Army CoC

Sooner or later all army folk will be entitled to 1 x CTS CCR.  What I thought amusing was that Army folks who have been crafty enough to get issued a Air Force 2-in-1 suit will be last on the list to get the CCR as you cannot trade the AF 2-in1 suit for a CCR, only a OG 107 suit for a CCR until the initial fielding is done.

Despite the priority of issue above the real issue plan was then brought up. When questioned on why the real issue plan did not match the proposed issue plan the fellow at the front of the room looked puzzled, mumbled something about the COS for Land Ops not talking with DLR, who did not talk to DSSPM when the LCMM was out of the office. It was fun to watch him squirm for the 30 seconds, then I lost interest and went back to surfing for porn on my bosses blackberry.

We were told, as of today that 2700 of these things are in Op Stock and 2200 have been / are being issued to LFTDS Units with CMTC at the top of the pile and CFSCE being at the bottom of the pile.

Next issues are as fol:

End Jun 09 - OP PODIUM
Start Aug 09 - 4 AD Regt, 4 ESR, CFJIRU 
Start Sept 09 - TF 1-10
End Sept 09 - LFCA

Mid Dec 09 - LFWA (someone made a joke about canceling X-mas leave for the issue, it was again not well received).

Start May 10 - TF 3-10 and 5-10
End May 10 - SQFT
Mid July 10 - LFAA

Mid Aug 10 - LF HQ, NDHQ pers who are entitled, all other army CC2 pers in an unsupported location. All recruits at point of entry.

The total issue of 35,200 suits to Army pers was then mentioned.  Wait... what happened to the 74,000 that was mentioned on slide 2?  (Someone made a joke about accounting for e-bay loss, which set the presenter off on this fit of excitement ... it was funny).  The other 38,800 are back up stock.  Makes sense to me, but then again I am not a bin rat. Lots of conversation then started about estimated procurement models versus actual requirement and costing of such things.  I went to the washroom and did not come back.

So... they are in the pipe...

I hope that is of some interest to everyone.  Truth be told I only stayed because I knew it was a Army.ca hot topic (and I wanted to know how to get a new CCR before all of the people that really need it).

Cheers,

MC

CFSCE is at the bottom of the pile ... for schools - note where they are on the list though eh?

Interesting to see your "briefing" as it compares to my official document (the one with actual dates 'some-now-passed for Schools/Units) ... close, but not quite.

CMTC doesn't have thiers yet (after speaking with their IC Clot last Friday) ... and they are pri 1 after Ops.

You'll all live though; I'm sure of it.

 

[Eric_911]

You're talking about the much rumoured move of the NDHQ clothing stores? Anyone have any further on this, and what impact this will have (aside from extra travel requirements) on availability of kit?

The move to National Printing Bureau should have been complete on the 19th of May. I believe NDHQ has laid on an extra shuttle, making a total of three shuttle busses bouncing between NDHQ, NPB, HdV and LStL

 

[armyvern]

Sigh.

 

[X-mo-1979]

I gotta say the Arid rain gear came in handy a couple times as a nice windbreaker during the sandstorms and the torrent of rain in Jan.
Good piece of kit.

 

[NL_engineer]

I gotta say the Arid rain gear came in handy a couple times as a nice windbreaker during the sandstorms and the torrent of rain in Jan.
Good piece of kit.

I have used mine last night, when it got really cold.  Other then that it has been strapped on the outside of my small pack (my just in case vehicle break down/overnight op bag).