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Arnold's Tank

Towards_the_gap said:
Ah, this old wives tale. Was it Germany? Or India:

I hope you are not calling me a liar. I was in Gagetown at the time and am not making this up. When I said second hand, I meant that I was not on the scene as I was in the battery command post listening to the reports on the battery and regimental net.
 
Not at all, and I apologise for the unintended inference. I should have added to my original post that while the story most likely had it's genesis in an actual incident (the one to which you refer), I've since heard of the same story but with a crew from 2 RTR, QDG, RCD, and having happened in Germany-Shilo-Petawawa ad nauseam. Basically I've heard the same story, in 2 different Armies, and in about 20 different circumstances.

That being said, I've never seen anyone try to sleep underneath any vehicle of any kind, so I suppose it is a good thing everyone has heard a version of the story.
 
NinerSix said:
I'm no tanker, but I thought you had to do up to ten full counter clockwise rotations to unscrew the turret. Or was that just for those weird french tanks like the AMX-30?  :camo:

Most modern tanks have a Traverse Count Indicator that allow a difference of 10 full rotations in azimuth before going off, but I wouldn't call that a modern tank.
 
Towards_the_gap said:
Not at all, and I apologise for the unintended inference. I should have added to my original post that while the story most likely had it's genesis in an actual incident (the one to which you refer), I've since heard of the same story but with a crew from 2 RTR, QDG, RCD, and having happened in Germany-Shilo-Petawawa ad nauseam. Basically I've heard the same story, in 2 different Armies, and in about 20 different circumstances.

That being said, I've never seen anyone try to sleep underneath any vehicle of any kind, so I suppose it is a good thing everyone has heard a version of the story.
Fair enough, and water under the bridge. I only know of three incidents involving loss of life with tanks, all Centurions and all in Gagetown. The second was in the summer of 1964 when a tank was hit by lightning while the crew was performing maintenance. The third was in the fall of 1972 with the Combat Team Commanders Course. A Centurion rolled and burned, asphyxiating two or three crewman and one student.
 
Old Sweat said:
...... The third was in the fall of 1972 with the Combat Team Commanders Course. A Centurion rolled and burned, asphyxiating two or three crewman and one student.

In that one, all three in the turret died.  The Driver was able to get out of his hatch, but as the tanks was upside down, the turret crew were unable to get out.  There is no escape hatch in bottom of the Centurion.  Those there tried to get them out, and were actually talking to them before they were asphyxiated.  Unfourtunately, there was not enough (equipment) there, nor time, to right the tank and get them out alive.  There was a cairn by the road where it happened.
 
Didn't that also happen to a Cougar crew in Gagetown during RV-81 ?
 
Old Sweat said:
Fair enough, and water under the bridge. I only know of three incidents involving loss of life with tanks, all Centurions and all in Gagetown. The second was in the summer of 1964 when a tank was hit by lightning while the crew was performing maintenance. The third was in the fall of 1972 with the Combat Team Commanders Course. A Centurion rolled and burned, asphyxiating two or three crewman and one student.

I was doing my Cambat Arms School Basic Infantry course when that happend!

Larry
 
They were Strathcona's. Our Maint WO in C Sqn RCD was there when it happened and told us that the Tank was almost righted when the cable on the ARV snapped and it when back over. The batteries had came out of their brackets and broke open inside of the turret. The Aux Genny's fuel line broke dripped fuel on the hot exhaust lit on fire and boiled the acid from the batteries creating a hydrochloric cloud in the turret resulting in the death of the turret crew.
 
Ugh what a horrible way to die, RIP and it could not have been easy on the crews trying to save them.
 
When I was in the Strats one of out Majors was on exchange in England doing his Combat Team Commanders Course. His Scimitar flipped some where out on Salisbury Plains and basically the same thing happened to him, but the got him back to the hospital on a ventilator. They kept him alive long enough for his wife to get there and say her goodbyes he never regained consciousness.
 
Colin P said:
In the M-47 or T-55? M47 would have had M1919 .30cal in coaxial and hull. With a .50cal for AA use on the turret top. T-55 uses a 7.62x54 MG, I think the PKT? Any machine gun on top is normally a DsHKM in 12.7mm

Actually, I think the M47 should have the M37 .30, which preceeded the M73/M219 series (which were awful), in both the hull and as coax. if not it should be the M1919A5 .30cal tank gun, a specialist version, though with minimal modifications, principally for dual-feed and better handling of M1 links.

I meant in the video, looks as though there is a .50-cal barrel or something sticking out of the mantlet, take a look.

I have seen, what I presume are shot-out .50 cal barrels used to sub-in for hull-mount .30 cals and coaxs down in the US, even in place of a C6 on a Grizzly display in Pet.
 
http://m1919tech.com/

I would suspect the M-37 would be the right gun.

 
Shrek1985 said:
I have seen, what I presume are shot-out .50 cal barrels used to sub-in for hull-mount .30 cals and coaxs down in the US, even in place of a C6 on a Grizzly display in Pet.

Grizzlies had 50 cals mounted on the right hand side and a C6 on the left.
 
Tank Troll said:
Grizzlies had 50 cals mounted on the right hand side and a C6 on the left.

Yeah, I think the one in front of one of the barracks in pet has a sawn-off .50 barrel in each mount.

Back on topic-kinda; anyone else think that looks like a .50 barrel on arnold's M47?
 
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