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Allowances - Post Living Differential (PLD) [MERGED]

BigDaddyFatback

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Just got this info sent to me from DAA, credit to him/her.

**** - para 3 has been omitted, as it dealt with MATA/PATA allowances.

1.      The purpose of this email is to provide an update on the way forward with regards to discrepancies in the payment of specific benefits and allowances.
2.      As previously communicated, the periodic review of various financial transactions identified discrepancies in the administration of Maternity and Parental benefits (MATA/PATA), Post Living Differential (PLD) and payment of environmental allowances to many serving and released Regular Force and Reserve Force Class C members.  These errors have resulted in both underpayments and overpayments of MATA/PATA and overpayments only of PLD and/or environmental allowances.  Where there have been underpayments, those payments will be made to the affected members shortly after the release of the Admin AIG in the coming weeks.  Where there have been overpayments, there is no intent to recover these funds. The Department and the CAF are seeking the required financial approvals and mechanisms to make such intent a reality in these three specific cases identified in the review.
4.      With regard to issue #2 - Post Living differential (PLD), as of 1 Jul 07, for locations where the amount of PLD was under 50 dollars a month, PLD was no longer to be paid. However, payments continued for those located in Kingston, London, and North Bay, Ontario; Nanaimo, British Columbia; and St-Hyacinthe, Quebec.  Consequently, 3,250 personnel were overpaid an average of 362 dollars and there is no intent to recover.

5.      With regard to issue #3 - Land Duty Allowance (LDA), Paratroop Allowance (PARATPA) and Rescue Specialist Allowance (RESSPECA) were erroneously and simultaneously paid with hardship allowance (HA) and/or risk allowance (RA) since.  These errors were discovered in 2013.  Contrary to regulations, these benefits cannot be paid concurrently.  As a result, 1,197 personnel were overpaid an average of 231 dollars and the majority of these overpayments occurred while personnel were deployed to Afghanistan.  There is no intent to recover this money
 

misratah500

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Anyone know when we can expect to hear anything on the changes to this. Do you guys think it's getting cut or phased out?
 

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If they phase it out, you might as well close Edmonton, anything near Vancouver, and Toronto bases/units. Troops cannot afford to live there without it.
 

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PuckChaser said:
If they phase it out, you might as well close Edmonton, anything near Vancouver, and Toronto bases/units. Troops cannot afford to live there without it.

Yep. That's what's called a second order effect. If the decision is ever made for zero PLD, then a large number of units would have to move, and the Navy would take yet another major hit to it's retention rates.

As far as I'm tracking, no decision has been made yet. But it's a normal thing to wargame out what the impacts of any decision could be.
 

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I can't help but notice that the maps in this thread aren't accessible anymore. Is there a link (DWAN or Internet) where I can figure out which geographical areas correspond to the "zones" in and around Toronto?

Thanks in advance!
 

CountDC

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Try this as it just worked for me:

cmp-cpm.mil.ca/assets/cmp_intranet/docs/en/gb-toronto.doc
 

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Or navigate to the list like this:

CMP Homepage

Benefits dropdown - Generic Benefits

Relocation Management

Geographical Boundaries

You will then have a list of locations.

http://cmp-cpm.mil.ca/en/benefits/geographical-boundaries.page
 

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Is there any way I can take a look at those "zones" without DWAN access? I've done quite a bit of digging, and it's surprisingly hard to find
 

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I'm guessing it's unclass? If someone can post it here or email it to me that would be much appreciated
 

Eye In The Sky

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Some are avail on Intranet...try your google-fu for the area you're looking for....PLDA are (usually) almost a match to Geo Boundaries...not perfect but something.

http://www.cg.cfpsa.ca/cg-pc/Kingston/EN/Facilities/Yacht%20Club/CFBGeoBoundaries/Pages/default.aspx
 

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Hi, another guy looking for the Toronto area 1 map boundaries if anyone has it? No dwan access currently. Thanks!
 

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Wow. What  thread. I had to open it up in "print view" so I could search the whole document at once.

Alas, didn't find quite what I was looking for.

I have a peculiar situation, and instead of hashing it all out, I'm trying to find specific answers to particular parts of my conundrum.

1. Definition of "place of duty". The CBI is pretty clear: "means the place at which an officer or non-commissioned member usually performs their normal military duties". What's interesting is that term "posting" or "posted" anywhere.

Let's say a member is officially posted to unit A, but is being employed every day at unit B, and unit B is outside of the geographical area of unit A. Further, this member is not attach-posted or on TD at unit B, they are just spending there days working there.

Is there official "place of duty" Unit B? IAW the definition, it would appear so, but after reading through this thread, there seems to have been a few "clarifications" over the years from DCBA that seem to contradict the CBIs.
 

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(((Heavily redacted from my original comment, I found Chapter 6 of CFTDI, which was untitled, but solves the issue, the subtext of CFTDI seems to be that if you're on duty outside the geographical boundaries of your place of duty, then you're on TD)))

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-benefits/temp-duty-travel-instructions.page

Intuitively, duty travel outside the geographical boundaries should be covered by something, CFTPO, TD Instruction, Attach Posting Instruction, something.  And if you're posted to 3RCR Petawawa but your job everyday is at Connaught Range NCR -- then your career manager should post you to the NCR. You driving from Pet to Connaught every day makes no sense.

This is complicated by the fact that geographical boundaries are of inconsistent size, and I seem to remember that at least one overlapped -- is it still the case that the town of Renfrew is inside both Petawawa and the NCR's geographical boundaries? Or did I imagine that one?

All of this applies only to the Reg Force -- I served on RSS and I still don't pretend to understand how geographical boundaries intersect with Primary Reserve units, especially units that have sub-units in multiple locations.
 

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Ostrozac said:
Intuitively, duty travel outside the geographical boundaries should be covered by something, CFTPO, TD Instruction, Attach Posting Instruction, something.  And if you're posted to 3RCR Petawawa but your job everyday is at Connaught Range NCR -- then your career manager should post you to the NCR. You driving from Pet to Connaught every day makes no sense.

Ok I'm about to complicate the sh*t out of your scenario, but it mirrors my actual situation almost exactly (well, not MY situation, but the situation of someone working for me).

Anyways, following your example, the member just came back from a prohibited posting in Gagetown doing phase training. He is now on a prohibited posting in Petawawa. His principle residence the entire time has been his parent's house, which is where he lived when he enrolled. Guess where his principle residence is? The NCR! So, his chain of command in Petawawa, realizing that they had no work for him there, simply told him to go live with his parents, and work at the Connaught range until further notice.

Posted Prohibited to a Unit in Petawawa (Unit A);
Works Every Day at Connaught Range (Unit B);
Lives at his principle residence (within geographic bounds of Unit B); so
Is his "place of duty" Unit A or Unit B?
 

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fun.  Sounds to me like his temporary place of duty is B as he has been given a temporary workplace change by his chain of command.  Trying to find the regulation on this - I know CFTDI covers it in part 5 but there should be something in CFAO/DAODs.  Don't see him getting any benefits out of it though as his residence is in the NCR.  Travel is less than going to Pet so no mileage there, PLD will be based on his residence and the NCR does not get PLD (except those that have been there forever still getting TPLD). 
 

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If he is Reg Force, why don't they just attach post him to a unit in Ottawa? There are no financial implications for the unit, especially if the member chooses to live at home with his parents. We do it all the time in the RCAF when members are awaiting training but want to be close to their families. Hell sometimes we even post someone to their new unit, then attach post them back to their previous unit until APS if it meets everyone's needs.
 
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