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Becaause he's such a credible public sector leader, right? :)


Hope springs for a new wave of public sector transformation: a letter from Ottawa​

By Michael Wernick on 24/03/2021


Governments are even more reluctant to take on the deeper structural issues that make the internal workings of government so difficult to reform. Techno-enthusiasts see a bold frontier of further disruption by blockchain, predictive algorithms, learning software and apps for everything. They may be right in the long run, although the bust that was track and trace apps suggests a dose of caution is required.

But the real software upgrades needed to make the public sector more effective are in the decades-old models of human resources and procurement. We will soon see if, in the wake of pandemic fatigue, we also run into the dissipation of the first wave of energy and find ourselves suffering from reform fatigue. Will we have a second and third wave of innovation? With spring now here, I prefer to be optimistic.

 

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Becaause he's such a credible public sector leader, right? :)


Hope springs for a new wave of public sector transformation: a letter from Ottawa​

By Michael Wernick on 24/03/2021


Governments are even more reluctant to take on the deeper structural issues that make the internal workings of government so difficult to reform. Techno-enthusiasts see a bold frontier of further disruption by blockchain, predictive algorithms, learning software and apps for everything. They may be right in the long run, although the bust that was track and trace apps suggests a dose of caution is required.

But the real software upgrades needed to make the public sector more effective are in the decades-old models of human resources and procurement. We will soon see if, in the wake of pandemic fatigue, we also run into the dissipation of the first wave of energy and find ourselves suffering from reform fatigue. Will we have a second and third wave of innovation? With spring now here, I prefer to be optimistic.

The only thing missing from that screed is his "fear" that somebody will be shot.
 

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All kinds of people here at work who are discussing on how spouses/family cancelled appointments rather then take the Astra.
That’s silly... I’d take AZ if offered in a heartbeat. The odds of a blood clot are a hell of a lot better than my odds with COVID, or with many other things I do regularly.
 

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I would take AZ in a heartbeat as well. I reckon the riskiest part of the getting the shot wouldn't be a blood clot, it would be driving to the clinic. Particularly where I live.
 

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That’s silly... I’d take AZ if offered in a heartbeat. The odds of a blood clot are a hell of a lot better than my odds with COVID, or with many other things I do regularly.
100% agree....and I tell them they are being stupid. But what can you do?
I took it....
 

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(CNN)Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, on Sunday urged Americans to take any of the three "highly efficacious" coronavirus vaccines now available to them and not delay getting one vaccine over another.

"These are three highly efficacious vaccines. I can tell you I have been fully vaccinated with one that was available. It was the Moderna," he told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union." "If I were not vaccinated now and I had a choice of getting a J&J vaccine now or waiting for another vaccine, I would take whatever vaccine would be available to me as quickly as possible for the simple reason of what I said a moment ago, we want to get as many people vaccinated as quickly and expeditiously as possible."
 

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Whats the incentive for Canadians who arent at risk from serious COVID complications to get vaccinated? There's been no statement saying we need X amount of Canadian population vaccinated to loosen restrictions, and only fear mongering that even vaccinated people can spread COVID. Yeah, a lot of us in this forum are in occupations that involve us taking on hardships and risks to help others, but I'd submit to you folks thumbing your nose at the anti vax folks that the general Canadian citizen could care less about the family in thier left and right flank.

Our vaccination program is all stick and no carrot, and no amount of media/government fear porn articles are going to convince a lockdown weary populace to just fall in line.
 

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Whats the incentive for Canadians who arent at risk from serious COVID complications to get vaccinated?
If you’ve been paying attention to the spread of the newer variants, particularly the P1 that’s spreading like wildfire in BC (and Brazil), you’d note that it doesn’t appear any of us aren’t at risk of serious complications. Besides that, people are focusing on the deaths but paying scant attention to the ‘long haulers’ who are still suffering months after the infection cleared.
 

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Whats the incentive for Canadians who arent at risk from serious COVID complications to get vaccinated? There's been no statement saying we need X amount of Canadian population vaccinated to loosen restrictions, and only fear mongering that even vaccinated people can spread COVID. Yeah, a lot of us in this forum are in occupations that involve us taking on hardships and risks to help others, but I'd submit to you folks thumbing your nose at the anti vax folks that the general Canadian citizen could care less about the family in thier left and right
There is no target but rule of thumb is probably 85% to achieve herd immunity. Not enough is known yet about what percentage is required though.
 

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Whats the incentive for Canadians who arent at risk from serious COVID complications to get vaccinated? There's been no statement saying we need X amount of Canadian population vaccinated to loosen restrictions, and only fear mongering that even vaccinated people can spread COVID. Yeah, a lot of us in this forum are in occupations that involve us taking on hardships and risks to help others, but I'd submit to you folks thumbing your nose at the anti vax folks that the general Canadian citizen could care less about the family in thier left and right flank.

Our vaccination program is all stick and no carrot, and no amount of media/government fear porn articles are going to convince a lockdown weary populace to just fall in line.
I don't know if I would describe folks who are hesitant to get the vaccine as anti-vaxxers, rather I feel that many of them have done some cost-benefit analysis and decided against the vaccine. That is, at least for now, a personal choice. School-age children, who have not been vaccinated against common childhood diseases, are not welcome in most school boards across the country, nor in some cases can they travel internationally.
Where it may get complicated is if governments impose some sort of a vaccine "passport." I have seen discussions/reports where the pros and cons of this are debated. Libertarians scoff at the idea, but if 80-85% of a population has received the vaccine, and demand protection/isolation from those who haven't, certain significant social, leisure, recreation, travel, and economic barriers may be erected. We are not there yet, but, it would be both stick and carrot.
 

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If you’ve been paying attention to the spread of the newer variants, particularly the P1 that’s spreading like wildfire in BC (and Brazil), you’d note that it doesn’t appear any of us aren’t at risk of serious complications. Besides that, people are focusing on the deaths but paying scant attention to the ‘long haulers’ who are still suffering months after the infection cleared.
I've seen scant data but plenty of hyperbole on variants and their hospitalization rates. The Canucks outbreak will be a key indicator on whether healthy individuals are at increased hospitalization risk, as statistically only 1 or 2 could be expected with the Wuhan origin virus.
 

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The sport broadcasters were saying this morning that they "have heard" a couple are "very " sick.

Used quotations as its all heresay and spec right now.
 

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I've seen scant data but plenty of hyperbole on variants and their hospitalization rates. The Canucks outbreak will be a key indicator on whether healthy individuals are at increased hospitalization risk, as statistically only 1 or 2 could be expected with the Wuhan origin virus.
The Canucks are not a good sample of ‘healthy average’. They’re mostly in their 20s, extremely fit, with constant and excellent medical screening and professional help for everything from workouts to diet. A normal standard of ‘healthy individuals’ should bracket the 15-50 age group, with minimal (but not nonexistent) physical health conditions or bad habits. Think ‘beer league hockey team’ mixed with those who grudgingly do the 5km at the Army Run, rather than a professional sports team.

While there is indeed plenty of hyperbole to be found (in both direction- plenty of idiots are still saying “it’s just the flu”, I filter my perusal of anecdotes to those who know what they’re talking about- critical care doctors and epidemiologists. They’re shitting bricks, and ICU data out of Ontario supports that.

Unfortunately it’s too early yet for much data to have made it through the study and publication process, but pretty much universally the critical care doctors are saying the variants are a game changer. And P1 has barely caught on in Ontario yet that we can tell. We’re still dealing with the less-awful B.1.1.7 out here.

We’ve got a long and potentially dismal month ahead of us.
 

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Fascinating story on why the Japanese are more receptive to wearing masks than North Americans.
My RMT is from Japan. She sometimes wears a mask.

She was born and brought up in a culture where they are constantly taught to be considerate of others. Wearing a mask to protect others is an extension of that.

I am reminded of her social responsibility when I see people on TV ranting about their "rights" not to wear a mask.
 

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I've seen scant data but plenty of hyperbole on variants and their hospitalization rates.
How about this? 18 patients in Toronto General ICU, 16 due to COVID. People are on ECMO for weeks.

"ECMO is for “when an ordinary mechanical ventilator isn't enough,” he said. “Obviously a very complicated and specialized intervention, so it's only done in specialized centers.”

Every day, Toronto General is being asked to take in three or four new patients needing this care.

“We're getting lots of calls about bringing patients who are in their 30s, 40s and 50s — even we've got a few [in] there, young 20s here with no past medical history,” Ferguson said."

Variants are driving rise in younger, sicker patients needing specialized care

88 critically ill COVID patients are to be transferred out of GTA hospitals

April 3 Update on #COVID19 in #Ontario: we're still on the exponential rise of this 3rd wave & have lots of younger people very sick.
 

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Is the Covid19 vaccine available to Canadians proven to work against the new Covid variants showing up?
 

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Is the Covid19 vaccine available to Canadians proven to work against the new Covid variants showing up?

Not conclusively, but initial data is apparently encouraging from what I’ve been seeing in the informed commentary.


How about this? 18 patients in Toronto General ICU, 16 due to COVID. People are on ECMO for weeks.

Apparently GTA ICUs will be transfering 88 COVID patients out over the next several days to spread the lid to ICUs that aren’t yet overloaded.

Other anecdotal information is staff working huge overtime. That’s not indefinitely sustainable.
 
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