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Canada/US Border Integrity Thread

On the DJI drones, the security concerns are going to depend on use… If it’s a border team just using them sporadically to check stretches of fence out in the woods, that’s not terribly concerning. No more than existing use cases like measuring collision scenes. These are relatively short endurance and limited capability UAS.

By all means work to replace them with more secure options as they become available, but it doesn’t seem like these would be used in roles where they present much hazard in terms of operational or information security. The overwhelming majority of border-hoppers are gonna just be border hoppers. Of those who are something worse, the overwhelming majority of those will be common criminals, organized or otherwise.

Much of this can likely be risk-managed on a short term basis, particularly given the risk of NOT having adequate ‘right now’ UAS capabilities. The federal government has all the rights needs in various organizations to very thoroughly define how much this is a problem and how to manage it. And, for perspective, there are probably tens of thousands (or more) of DJI drones in private and organizational use on both sides of the border already. I’d be more worried about one flying around CFS Leitrim, or Ogilvie Road, or DHTC than up over a clearing in the woods between the end of Boulevard-des-chutes-de-Tabarnac, and New York State rural route 156. And I’m WAY more concerned about the potential for kinetic weaponization of SUAS in private use… But that’s a different threat vector entirely.
 
On the DJI drones, the security concerns are going to depend on use… If it’s a border team just using them sporadically to check stretches of fence out in the woods, that’s not terribly concerning. No more than existing use cases like measuring collision scenes. These are relatively short endurance and limited capability UAS.

By all means work to replace them with more secure options as they become available, but it doesn’t seem like these would be used in roles where they present much hazard in terms of operational or information security. The overwhelming majority of border-hoppers are gonna just be border hoppers. Of those who are something worse, the overwhelming majority of those will be common criminals, organized or otherwise.

Much of this can likely be risk-managed on a short term basis, particularly given the risk of NOT having adequate ‘right now’ UAS capabilities. The federal government has all the rights needs in various organizations to very thoroughly define how much this is a problem and how to manage it. And, for perspective, there are probably tens of thousands (or more) of DJI drones in private and organizational use on both sides of the border already. I’d be more worried about one flying around CFS Leitrim, or Ogilvie Road, or DHTC than up over a clearing in the woods between the end of Boulevard-des-chutes-de-Tabarnac, and New York State rural route 156. And I’m WAY more concerned about the potential for kinetic weaponization of SUAS in private use… But that’s a different threat vector entirely.
Thanks for more of the REST of the story - appreciated!
 
On the DJI drones, the security concerns are going to depend on use… If it’s a border team just using them sporadically to check stretches of fence out in the woods, that’s not terribly concerning. No more than existing use cases like measuring collision scenes. These are relatively short endurance and limited capability UAS.

By all means work to replace them with more secure options as they become available, but it doesn’t seem like these would be used in roles where they present much hazard in terms of operational or information security. The overwhelming majority of border-hoppers are gonna just be border hoppers. Of those who are something worse, the overwhelming majority of those will be common criminals, organized or otherwise.

Much of this can likely be risk-managed on a short term basis, particularly given the risk of NOT having adequate ‘right now’ UAS capabilities. The federal government has all the rights needs in various organizations to very thoroughly define how much this is a problem and how to manage it. And, for perspective, there are probably tens of thousands (or more) of DJI drones in private and organizational use on both sides of the border already. I’d be more worried about one flying around CFS Leitrim, or Ogilvie Road, or DHTC than up over a clearing in the woods between the end of Boulevard-des-chutes-de-Tabarnac, and New York State rural route 156. And I’m WAY more concerned about the potential for kinetic weaponization of SUAS in private use… But that’s a different threat vector entirely.
Agreed, but my other concern is if someone plugs them into a .gc computer…
 
As I explained a few pages ago- they don’t access the DJI ecosystem at all. Not even updates- updates are individually vetted. The images are stored to memory cards- the software output has been dissected to ensure that nothing coming off the cards comes with it but the image data. They are closed off from everything.

It’s not foolproof but it’s not like they bought them at radio shack and threw them up.
 
That was fast.


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If anyone is interested here is the registration data for this particular airframe, which was apparently built in 1979.

 
If anyone is interested here is the registration data for this particular airframe, which was apparently built in 1979.

Sounds about the right age for us to look at buying it.
 
This can be potentially very bad for us. If it comes out that the Officer was killed by someone transporting illegal migrants who had crossed into the US, Trump will definitely use this against us as another sign of the lack of enforcement on the US-Canada border.

U.S. Border Patrol agent killed in Vermont near Canada-U.S. border, say authorities​


The now-dead shooter was a German citizen who was in the US on a valid visa. So, no, they did not sneak in from Canada.
 
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