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I am currently in the process of becoming a Specialist in Communication and Information Systems. I am at the stage of making an appointment for my first test. I have 2 questions. First, I would like to have the opinion of a soldier who works / has work in the field to know how a day in this business is. I would like to hear what people on the ground have to say about this job.

I am not an ACISS so cannot speak on the day to day work of an ACISS but I believe there are some siggies on here that can comment.

See also,

Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=77029.850
75 pages.
 
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So, depends on what sub-occ you are interested in.

Remember, currently you join as an ACISS core, and then based on your performance/luck/abilities/desires/luck/whims of the gods, praise be to Hermes (For he is great and naked), you may get picked up into a sub-specialty, or you may not want to be a sub-occ and that's fine too.

Core:  You do radios, this is the 'stereotypical' radio operator.  Nowadays they also do tons of stuff like run CP's, signallers for different units, strategic comms, tactical comms, all kinds of stuff.  They are the versatile jack of all trades.  These are the people who usually get upset if you swear, or say "ack" or "repeat" on the net.

IST:  Uber-Nerd, servers and networks.  They get spec pay.  Sorta.  Kinda.  Long story.  They usually do red (Unencrypted) networks and manage servers, services, and other weird nerd stuff.  Some get into programming and development/project jobs, but its rare.

CST:  Uber-Nerd, they fix stuff, do vehicle installs, wiring, and that kind of thing.  In some places like JSR you'll do lots of black networks, satellites and stuff, in other places you're an electronics fixer-upper.  They are a wider net of stuff, but still very technical.  They also get spec pay.  Sorta.  Kinda.  Long Story.

LST:  These are lineman, they drink from boots.  They have secondary duties such as line work, towers, climbing, wiring.  They are a very physical trade and when not drinking are some of the hardest working people I know.  They are awesome.

That's the basic jist of things. 

Full Disclosure:  I'm an IST, and I have tour/garrison experience and I've only lost like...3 pieces of crypto in my career so far, maybe a radio or two.  Superstar you could say.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2018, 15:09:24 by ringo598 »
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So much for a next update being in April. It's not like this was announced in Dec. or anything.  :waiting:

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Indoc this week At CFSCE.
Just saw the new trade structures.

Sig Op, Line Tech and Sig Tech, from Pte to MWO.
4th Trade for CWO on top of all that.

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I have BMQ coming up and I signed up for ACISS and I'm pretty eager to start since I've worked in telecom for the past 4 years and Have years of self-taught experience before that. I was going to go to IST specifically after reading what that's like in this thread. Or maybe something else. Who knows. Still too early to make thay decision.

At the time I did my research I knew there was some rift going on with ACISS but it seems to be worse than I thought. Is all this buggery going to be fixed soon? What are the plans?  How bad are things really? Either way, I'm excited. Ain't nothing gonna break my stride!

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The way technology is changing, all three trades need computer skills in varying degrees. To stay on the server end, work towards being an IST and when they firm up the new structure, you'll be given a chance to identify what trade you want to move to based on need, your current sub occupation, and your skillsets/preference.

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Thanks! My work in telecom has mostly been all physical. I work for an ISP and do installs for phone, internet, and TV. Dealing with copper and fiber. Taking a second look, CST might be more relevant. I don't want to be a lineman though. Either way though good advice. I will find a sub-trade, stick with that until things get restructured.

Any other advice for a future sig?

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There are a lot of sour attitudes in the branch right now because of how ACISS was rolled out. Don't let them destroy your impression of the job. You will be expected to work hard and you will likely be undermanned for a lot of it. You will also not get a chance to do a lot of training where mistakes are easily fixed, as to properly train Signallers, you need a Combat Arm doing stuff with users on the network. They won't come out and just be OPFOR for you, they have their own training objectives and expect comms to work 100% of the time.

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This is all pretty close to what I expected given what I read about the trade from other people. Thanks for the help and advice. Should be an exciting journey.

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It is rumered but not confirmed with our unit that lineman will be recieving
some type of spec pay. 

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CST 1.1
« Reply #1910 on: September 28, 2018, 07:50:04 »
So I just finished the CST 1.1 DL, does anyone know what (unclass) material is in the other mods? I'd like to get a head start if possible.

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Everything you want to know about CSS 1.1 (DWAN only)

http://acims.mil.ca/trg/AITIS_Signals/120708/default.aspx
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Hi everyone! I have been reading this forum this past few weeks and I still don't understand about ACISS.
I just did my cfat yesterday and I did not get the cut off of medical technician( the trade that I really want to get in CAF). The recruiter talked to me and mentioned to me to apply to this trade called ACISS and I accepted it. So my questions are, Is ACISS is going to be worth it in the future? like when I want to be civillian and find a job that related to ACISS.
Second question, I have zero experienced about wiring proramming etc. So How long to be a fully trained as ACISS?  Third question, how is being an ACISS?

P.S this is my first time to post here
I really appreciate to all who will respond to my questions. God Bless you guys☺

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Is ACISS is going to be worth it in the future? like when I want to be civillian and find a job that related to ACISS.

Related civilian occupations
•Telecommunications Operator and Manager
•Facility Operations Manager
•Information Systems Analyst
•Electronic Engineering Technician/Technologist
•Line Installer-Repairer Technician
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/caf-jobs/career-options/fields-work/telecommunications/army-systems-specialist.html

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So my questions are, Is ACISS is going to be worth it in the future? like when I want to be civillian and find a job that related to ACISS.
Second question, I have zero experienced about wiring proramming etc. So How long to be a fully trained as ACISS?  Third question, how is being an ACISS?

ACISS, or whatever they call Army Signalers in the future will always be "worth it" or in demand. In fact, the demand is constantly growing with the pace of technology changing in the civilian world. There are so many branches to where you can be employed as an Army Signaler, that there's always a civilian nexus. As for training length, the formal training will only take a few months to complete, but you will be expected to constantly be learning new technologies related to your current job, and future employment. You will never stop learning in the trade, and if you do, you should expect your promotion ability to greatly diminish.

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Thank you guys for answering my questions😁

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Hi everyone
Has any one done or know any one that has done the dp4 csm infantry course lately ,
If so can you expalain the course material,

1, thé dl part,
    What books , references advices can you provide, any good notes.

2, thé field part
POWs,Ccps
Any cheet notes. Again handouts  , advise
 
I’ve asked plenty of the guys and , the same story.
Easy, go on dl read and answer questions
Go to gage town and have a cafe. I  just walk away
If any one can please help I thank you on advance.
Sporty!!

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This is the C&E forum.  Maybe you should ask in the Combat Arms forum.
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DP1 Training for ACISS
« Reply #1919 on: May 14, 2019, 22:23:09 »
I did some research but never found this out for information, I am PRes and am about to do my DP1 for this summer, does anything run into the weekends training wise (e.g. field portion) or for the most part is my weekend free? My civilian job needs my attention on weekends. Any help would be appreciated!!

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I completed DP1 in ACISS in the summer of 2018.  All of my weekends were free except one.  However the didn't allow us to travel home each weekend.  Depending upon the behavior of the class, and at the course staff discretions, weekend leave passes (i.e. leave away from base) was either granted or denied.  However I do a lot of remote work civi side so that allowed me to catch up.  Hope this helps.

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Re: DP1 Training for ACISS
« Reply #1921 on: August 09, 2019, 15:14:56 »
I did some research but never found this out for information, I am PRes and am about to do my DP1 for this summer, does anything run into the weekends training wise (e.g. field portion) or for the most part is my weekend free? My civilian job needs my attention on weekends. Any help would be appreciated!!

Submit a memo with the details of how much time on the weekends you need to accommodate your work requirements. Your home unit can staff this up to the school and ensure it's known to your course staff, that way it can be planned around. Don't surprise the staff with it when you arrive.
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Hey everybody, first post on this site; it has been a treasure trove of information for months now and I am very appreciative of the quality content.

I'm currently waiting to get into basic as a signal technician (completed medical and interview on June 27th, did some fingerprinting on August 20th) but I haven't been able to find much info here or elsewhere on the trade:

- I see on older posts that IST/CST is referred to regularly, are these rough equivalents for signals technician/operator respectively?

- How are the two similar and different? The materials the recruiter gave me make Sig Tech sound more workshop-based and Sig Op more field.

- Is one more competitive/in demand than the other? A recent post in the selection thread (https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,130459.msg1578380.html#msg1578380) said ACISS NCMs had about 85% vacancy in July, would be interesting to know that breaks down into the three groups.

Thanks in advance for any replies; my CFRC seems optimistic I will start basic in October so wish me luck all : )

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IST/CST are rolled together into the new (old) Sigs Tech trade. You're right, its going to be predominately more workshop based but will have field positions so if you go that route do not be surprised if you're posted to a field unit and have to do Army things. A lot of folks get misinformed off the get go and assume they're applying for an air conditioned desk job.

They are similar in the fact that Sig Ops, Sig Techs and Line need to work together to get the mission done. Sig Ops will be at the coal-face delivering sigs support to end users (combat arms). Techs will do a lot more background work that enables major networks and equipment to function/keep functioning.

Both trades are highly in demand, and there's a huge shortage in the CAF. That does not sometimes translate into a lot of BMQ spots, as the bottleneck is our training system which is inefficient and cannot mass produce competent Signallers in the quantities the Army needs them. Line is typically full, but there is always spots for new members to join.

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Core:  You do radios, this is the 'stereotypical' radio operator.  Nowadays they also do tons of stuff like run CP's, signallers for different units, strategic comms, tactical comms, all kinds of stuff.  They are the versatile jack of all trades.  These are the people who usually get upset if you swear, or say "ack" or "repeat" on the net.

IST:  Uber-Nerd, servers and networks.  They get spec pay.  Sorta.  Kinda.  Long story.  They usually do red (Unencrypted) networks and manage servers, services, and other weird nerd stuff.  Some get into programming and development/project jobs, but its rare.

CST:  Uber-Nerd, they fix stuff, do vehicle installs, wiring, and that kind of thing.  In some places like JSR you'll do lots of black networks, satellites and stuff, in other places you're an electronics fixer-upper.  They are a wider net of stuff, but still very technical.  They also get spec pay.  Sorta.  Kinda.  Long Story.

LST:  These are lineman, they drink from boots.  They have secondary duties such as line work, towers, climbing, wiring.  They are a very physical trade and when not drinking are some of the hardest working people I know.  They are awesome.


Thank you for this information! Very insightful.

I am waiting for my medical exam and have been searching for as much information regarding this profession as I can.