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They've finally put together a decent website for this program, which allows pilots to attend the University of Western Ontario and attain various flying licenses through Empire Aviation here in London. It's a great program, anyone who has further questions can PM me, or post here, there's another CAM student/grad or two floating around.


Commercial Aviation Management website: http://mos.uwo.ca/cam/

CAM and ROTP: http://empireaviation.com/web/index.php/cam/rotp

PDF from the CF recruiting site: http://64.254.158.112/pdf/CAMP_en.pdf




PS for mods- I suppose this could go in Aircrew Trades, but I feel it's more relevant here. Move it if you wish, cheers.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 13:24:16 »
Yeah first of all thank you for posting this. I found the links to be quite helpful. I have been looking into this program for some time now, but still have a few questions. The program as I have read is sponsored by the CF, which is a bonus. The academic part there, how good is it? I mean this by is it just a useless degree or can you actually apply it to good use say in 20-25 years after one has retired from the CF? My final question is, I am currently in Belgium and will be returning to Canada in 2009. On the Transport Canada site it tells me that there is a doctor in Belgium listed on there. Does that mean that if I went to him I wouldn't need to get another one upon arriving in Canada? I look forward to your response.

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 13:31:59 »
    The degree that grads of this program hold is a BMOS (Business Management and Organizational Studies) which I think is a very good and applicable degree. In addition to standard economics, math, and business courses, you get to take cool stuff like History of Aviation in Canada, Aviation Law, and Airport Urban Planning.
   The program is quite new, so the first graduates are just percolating into the work force now, but from what I hear they are having success. The combo of a Biz degree plus specific aviation industry courses I imagine makes it fairly attractive to civilian aviation employers.
   About your Transport Canada Medical and getting it in Belgium, I wouldn't know. If he's a TransCan certified Doc, I would guess that would be fine, but I recommend calling someone at Transport Canada and asking the question there. Good luck!
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 14:08:13 »
OK thanks for the quick reply, and helpful answers. I do agree that the program would be good especially to employers in the aviation business. As for the Transport Canada medical yeah I will have to call the guy up in the near future.

Once again thanks :)

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 08:05:22 »
My son has applied and been accepted to this program at UWO.  This is one of several options that he is contemplating while patiently awaiting a decision on his application to RMC.  We visited the campus during this past weekend's open house and he spoke with senior students of the program.  They were helpful in answering his questions and enthusiastic in their praise for the program as well as excited about their futures.  An ROTP student described his summer employment which was different than the non-ROTP student who worked for Transport Canada during his summers.  Currently the most senior class is small, only 8 anticipate graduating.  Attrition may be high, due to the cost or perhaps, like other flight training, very high standards with higher than average stress.  Either way, it appears that those who stick to it are happy with the program and pleased to have the hours under their belt.

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2008, 22:43:41 »
My son has applied and been accepted to this program at UWO.  This is one of several options that he is contemplating while patiently awaiting a decision on his application to RMC.  We visited the campus during this past weekend's open house and he spoke with senior students of the program.  They were helpful in answering his questions and enthusiastic in their praise for the program as well as excited about their futures.  An ROTP student described his summer employment which was different than the non-ROTP student who worked for Transport Canada during his summers.  Currently the most senior class is small, only 8 anticipate graduating.  Attrition may be high, due to the cost or perhaps, like other flight training, very high standards with higher than average stress.  Either way, it appears that those who stick to it are happy with the program and pleased to have the hours under their belt.

  Glad to hear he was accepted and that you got some good feedback from some CAM students. Fire away with any questions if I can help.
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ROTP Pilot Dilemma
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 11:34:40 »
I am faced with a possible dilemma in the ROTP pilot process. I am torn between RMC and UWO C.A.M.P program. For those who may not know the CAMP program is sponsored by the DND to train/streamline pilots into the forces through UWO.

Does anyone have any experience with UWO and this program versus RMC. Speaking pilot MOC strictly, which one would be more beneficial in the long run? From the research which I have done, you bypass BFT since you receive a Commercial License while attending school and advance to the latter part of training.

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Re: ROTP Pilot Dilemma
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 11:42:13 »
I am faced with a possible dilemma in the ROTP pilot process. I am torn between RMC and UWO C.A.M.P program. For those who may not know the CAMP program is sponsored by the DND to train/streamline pilots into the forces through UWO.

Does anyone have any experience with UWO and this program versus RMC. Speaking pilot MOC strictly, which one would be more beneficial in the long run? From the research which I have done, you bypass BFT since you receive a Commercial License while attending school and advance to the latter part of training.

OK.  Time for you to do some research.  CAMP is a brand new program.  So new, you are probably on the very first course.  If you really want information, you should go back to your CFRC and talk to them, then do some research into UWO's program. 

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 11:47:58 »
Update with a new handout relating to ROTP. This was put together by the university administration (with the help of yours truly ;)) and approved by an officer at Sudbury CFRC.
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Re: ROTP Pilot Dilemma
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 11:49:09 »
You're not on the first course. Check out this thread: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,71815.0.html

PM me or post in that thread for CAM specific questions, there's a couple of us on this site. Cheers.
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Re: ROTP Pilot Dilemma
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 11:53:25 »
PM sent ...
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 12:36:21 »
 ::) 

Here.  Merged with a topic started by benny88 quite some time ago.  Now we have one topic, not two, and I will merge any others I find, so you won't have to do too much work.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2009, 09:37:30 »
My question would be about th application deadlines. I contacted CFRC Toronto, but they kept confusing me with the RMC applicants. I have done high school in Hungary, but I am a Canadian citizen, and I applied to the UWO for CAMP and got accepted. I applied to ROTP-CAM in January `09, and they didn't open my file until march. They are telling me that I need to get a high schhol transcript equivalency. That could not be possible, because if my transcripts were not equivalent with the Canadian standards, I could not have gotten into UWO. I'll be going back to Canada in may where I'll have my aptitude test. They still don't know if I should be doing an interview and the medical, because they say I would probably not get into the program this year.
I would really need some advice about what I should do now, because I can't afford the school on my own, and I have years of hard work in it.
Thank You in advance.

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2009, 10:11:00 »
Spending time out of Canada will not make your application go easily.  The UWO program is not a guarantee for all applicants - the CF will decide if you go there, or to RMC.

If the CF recruiting system is asking for high school equivalencies - go and get it.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2009, 10:22:34 »
My question would be about th application deadlines. I contacted CFRC Toronto, but they kept confusing me with the RMC applicants. I have done high school in Hungary, but I am a Canadian citizen, and I applied to the UWO for CAMP and got accepted. I applied to ROTP-CAM in January `09, and they didn't open my file until march. They are telling me that I need to get a high schhol transcript equivalency. That could not be possible, because if my transcripts were not equivalent with the Canadian standards, I could not have gotten into UWO. I'll be going back to Canada in may where I'll have my aptitude test. They still don't know if I should be doing an interview and the medical, because they say I would probably not get into the program this year.
I would really need some advice about what I should do now, because I can't afford the school on my own, and I have years of hard work in it.
Thank You in advance.

What type of School did you attend in Hungary?  Was it an 'International School' for dependents of Foreign Service personnel?  I know that there are at least two types of these schools, one I believe run by the Americans and another by the French, who will be able to give you equivalencies.  It is something that you will have to investigate.  This is a matter that many children whose parents were on Foreign Service for a Government Dept have faced before, so if you are lucky, one such person may be on this site and come to your aid.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 13:50:06 »
Thank You for posting. I attended a regular Hungarian high school, only at the end of each schoolyear did I go to Hungary to take exams. My parents are not foreign serving members, I just chose the Hungarian school for its higher level of education.
I would like to ask about the application deadline for ROTP-CAM, because I am confused about that date. I was told it is in January, but I have heard different versions, therefore I found it best to apply in January.
I have had some confusion in the CFRC regarding my application (they confused me with the RMC applicants).
Thank You for the post once again.

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 15:02:16 »

I would like to ask about the application deadline for ROTP-CAM, because I am confused about that date. I was told it is in January, but I have heard different versions, therefore I found it best to apply in January.


Something much better answered by those in the University Registrar's Office than anyone here. If you applied in January, what are you worried about?
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 18:42:05 »
. . . I have done high school in Hungary, but I am a Canadian citizen, and I applied to the UWO for CAMP and got accepted.  . . . .  They are telling me that I need to get a high schhol transcript equivalency. That could not be possible, because if my transcripts were not equivalent with the Canadian standards, I could not have gotten into UWO. I'll be going back to Canada in may where I'll have my aptitude test. They still don't know if I should be doing an interview and the medical, because they say I would probably not get into the program this year. . . .

As you stated that you are already accepted into UWO, I'm assuming that you attained a "Gimnázium Érettségi Bizonyítvány (Secondary School Leaving Certificate) since that is the admission requirement for an international student who was educated in Hungary as noted at International Admissions Requirements for CAMP.

While many Canadian universities which actively attract foreign students have adopted their own policies for school equivalencies, the Canadian Forces (like most other public or private employers) have not and when judging the educational background of potential members rely on outside "Credential Assessment and Qualification Recognition Services" such as those listed here (mid-way down the page).  It would be your responsibility to obtain such an assessment and equivalency for your Hungarian education as requested by the recruiting centre.

Just because UWO deems you meet the minimum requirements to enter their program doesn't mean that the CF has to accept you.  Their admission requirements are just that and only that - "admission requirements"; the CF's standards (evaluating much more than simply high school graduation) are higher.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 19:15:50 »
Thank You for Your help, You have been very helpful. :salute:
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2009, 23:01:58 »
An update for those interested in this program:


    UWO's CAM program has severed it's ties with Maylan Flight Academy for a variety of reasons. Some of you who have been keeping track of the situation will know some of the details and reasons, but what's important for new applicants to know is that we're now flying with Diamond Flight Centre London. We've just started but the equipment and facilities appear to be top notch.
   As always, anyone with questions pertaining to the new arrangement, or the program in general; feel free to PM me.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2009, 01:54:45 »
This sounds like promising news for me since I will be attending the CAMP program this September. Any details on the fleet of aircraft which students will be flying for their PPL, CPL and multi ?

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2009, 08:13:40 »
Looks like pure Diamond's.

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2009, 16:09:56 »
This sounds like promising news for me since I will be attending the CAMP program this September. Any details on the fleet of aircraft which students will be flying for their PPL, CPL and multi ?


The majority of training will take place on a DA-20, and that hasn't changed. But we will be re-introducing some time on the DA-40 with the G1000 setup, and our twin time will be on DA-42 Twinstars (huzzah!), rather than Piper Seminoles.
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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2009, 16:45:11 »
I was in a 42 yesterday..... tons of fun. I was holding a 60 degree angle of bank turn with out no problem at all. ;D ;D

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Re: Commercial Aviation Management program for pilots at UWO
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2009, 14:52:34 »
Just found out I've been accepted into CAM, most likely into year 2. What a load of stress off my shoulders!

Now to get the official paperwork all cleared up. Anyone here going into year 2 in September?

On that note, to any CAM students... has anyone had or know someone who went in with their PPL? Do you go right onto CPL training or skip a year of flying and do CPL in third year?