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Offline Bintheredunthat-Muzzled

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Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« on: October 05, 2007, 10:31:04 »
Did a search and could not find this already.  And I'm aware this one could easily be moved.

Saw this today - DWAN access required of course - http://kingston.mil.ca/notices/2007/10/ballistic_glasses.asp  (NOT FOR THE LIGHT OF STOMACH TYPE)

For those with no DWAN access:

<<Sgt Murgais, from 5 RGC, has given his permission to use the photos for whatever the CF wishes. Yes please do use them to demonstrate the importance of the ballistic eyewear.

One of the Leos with mine rollers was clearing a route through a known Russian minefield. It was backing out of part of the cleared area and turned slightly. As it turned one of the rollers left the cleared area by a few inches and went over an anti-tank mine. The majority of the mine was not under the rollers and contained about 6kg of explosive.

Sgt Murgais was standing dismounted, at what was believed to be the edge of the minefield, observing the tank. The roller was about 5m away from him when the mine went off.

The majority of the damage to his face was done by the sand and small rocks propelled by the blast. If you look closely at the BEWs you can see several deep marks from small rocks that would have injured his eyes if not blinded him.>>

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<end text>

Perhaps someone else can add the photo.

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 17:05:12 »
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2007, 17:38:21 »
link doesn't work

The link works. You, however, are trying to view it on a computer that does not have access to the Defence network. That's what Bin meant by
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2007, 17:57:49 »
Put a two inch gash in mine on my last night nav. I like them now.

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2007, 18:22:08 »
Amongst the troops I support, we have had a case of an eye injury where the person has had a decrease in his vision for 6 months caused by a foriegn body projectile from an explosion, and 3 cases of eyewear preventing eye injuries from anything ranging from blast, mg cook off, etc.

No one questions the need for protective eyewear, and compliance with wearing them is close to 100%
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2007, 18:33:37 »
I personaly am a huge fan of protective eye wear...just not the issue kind  ;)
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2007, 18:38:56 »
I'm with HitorMiss

I doubt anyone will disagree over the usefulness of ballastic eye wear.  The CF issue eye wear however has been known to give soldiers headaches and nausea and the arms scratch the hell out of the inside of the lenses making them very difficult to see out of and requiring replacement.
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2007, 21:32:12 »
I'm with HitorMiss

I doubt anyone will disagree over the usefulness of ballistic eye wear.  The CF issue eye wear however has been known to give soldiers headaches and nausea and the arms scratch the hell out of the inside of the lenses making them very difficult to see out of and requiring replacement.

I haven't heard about the headaches and what not and I wear mine all the time not just in the field, the arms scratching the lenses however I ran into but when I exchanged them they issued me a different cover that covers the lenses only and it works great

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2007, 03:40:11 »
not to mention the so called 'anti-fog' spray? well it don't work!  :rage: multiple cleanings with that thing and it STILLLLLL fogs up like no tomorrow! I could barely shoot with mine on all I saw was white mist and then Fig.11 *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*  then more haze! UGH! I hate mine :(
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2007, 07:07:55 »
Hmmmm I did not intend for my post to turn this into BEW bashing tread..... I was more making a joke about my Oakley's but I digress

I don't think you will meet a member who has any real world experience that would not agree that some form of Ballistic eye wear is not needed. It's a 100% necessary piece of kit regardless of who makes them.
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2007, 10:50:11 »
HitorMiss what do you think of the idea of the CF taking 3 or 4 different styles or brands of BEW and offering it to the soldiers.

Or, since that would be a huge issue and supply headache, offer the regular BEW as issued eye wear however allow soldiers to, at cost to themselves, buy approved  brands of eye wear such as Oakley M frames or wiley X's or something.
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2007, 10:54:10 »
HitorMiss what do you think of the idea of the CF taking 3 or 4 different styles or brands of BEW and offering it to the soldiers.

Or, since that would be a huge issue and supply headache, offer the regular BEW as issued eye wear however allow soldiers to, at cost to themselves, buy approved  brands of eye wear such as Oakley M frames or wiley X's or something.

That'll work out, I'm sure...just think of boots.......
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2007, 11:04:10 »
Well as much as I don't like wearing them (I don't like wearing anything strapped to my head) I would still never go without them given my absolute fear of being blind and all.  I already have on a helmet and in most cases a vehicle headset so it makes very little comfort difference adding the BEW so you might as well use them and you just might save your eyesight!
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2007, 11:41:49 »
The problem with issuing one piece of kit and authorising private purchase and wear of something else is .... what happens when the personal kit fails and your injury claim shows up.  Veteran affairs & CF HR Mil may feel that if the CFs kit had been worn, your injury wouldn't have happened and reject or reduce your claim ....

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2007, 14:14:37 »
The CF issue eye wear however has been known to give soldiers headaches and nausea 
That is only the perscription inserts, which IMHO are crap...if you think one layer of plastic fogs, try 2 with an open space between them, allowing sweat to flow between lenses.

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and the arms scratch the hell out of the inside of the lenses making them very difficult to see out of and requiring replacement.
Only if not carefully put away, but as they need to be on your face most times...

As for the fogging problem, even high speed Oakleys, ESS, Wileys etc fog when you are doing up-he sees-me-down over and over again.

I  think we need issued ballistic goggles as well as glasses, there are times when goggles are better.
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2007, 14:49:14 »


Oakleys's and Bolle T800 Goggles...  Dont leave home w/o them.


   IIRC the CF was issuing the T800 - I was issued a set when in the CF, and as well they had sets at the Sims house in Edmonton for those not issued when not doing force on force with the helmet...

I will agree with SMTT - Anything will fog when its 10x the heat of the sun and your sweating like a pig...


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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2007, 16:22:58 »
+1 on always wearing ballistic eyewear. Like everything the CF does, they need to reinvent the wheel so instead of buying proven designs like Oakley or Wiley (hate them) they get some el cheapo glasses with distortion.

I wear m-frames or t800s. Before a mission I wipe down the lenses with Op Drops, seems to reduce fogging.

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2007, 16:29:29 »
Our glasses are a civilian design, Revision Sawfly. Revision makes a goggle too.
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2007, 16:40:27 »
I also forgot to mention the CF glasses have extremely low LCF.  If you're going out to kill might as well look good while you do it.

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2007, 16:44:50 »
I wear m-frames or t800s. Before a mission I wipe down the lenses with Op Drops, seems to reduce fogging.

Thanks Kevin!!

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2007, 17:15:37 »
Civilian Input -

I use Wiley X goggles myself on the range, and at work as a machinist. They're terrific and saved my eyes on three occasions that made my heart skip a beat. I figured if they're strong enough to stop IED shrapnel they're strong enough to stop a chunk of solid carbide that was moving at 19,000RPM's before it decides to fly in my general direction.

I noticed ArmyVern requests pictures, so I'll just direct you all to the Wiley website. They have two pictures out of Iraq sent by Marines in theater. Be warned about a bit of blood and shrapnel damage. Oh and horrid spelling and grammar.

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2007, 17:57:01 »
I think she was lookign for a pic of Red with his blooper of death
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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2007, 18:03:28 »
Had my Wiley X's with me when in uniform (SOP), and out in the shyte, always had the EPS 21's on, along with all that other fun protective stuff!

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2007, 18:51:24 »
I also forgot to mention the CF glasses have extremely low LCF.  If you're going out to kill might as well look good while you do it.

Is that not the 2nd tenant of SOF?

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Re: Ballistic Glasses do a great job
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2007, 03:44:53 »
Here is my EPS21's, in a LAV prior to my deployment to Iraq.


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