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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2009, 23:28:46 »
yeah, it'd be nice to get my aussie wings while I'm down there too! wonder if I could get some jumps in with those boys (probably wishful thinking) ::)
A friend of mine who went ROTP got Dutch para wings somehow.

So who knows.
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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2009, 00:36:41 »
plus the Aussie Army are PRO.



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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2009, 02:05:00 »
What are we ? Chopped liver ?
Far from it.....I love being in the CF. I belong to Canada and that's that, never want it otherwise. My favorite outfit is Canada's uniform, I still look forward to wearing it after three years. 

Our guys beat the USMC Sniper record. JTF2 is world renowned as a versatile, and downright fearsome special forces unit. VIMY RIDGE. The list goes on. We have many things to be proud of.

But if there was an army I would do exchange with, it'd easily be the Aussies if not the Brits. We're pro, all I'm saying, those guys are real pro as well.
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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2009, 08:43:19 »
Hi all,

Having been in the Canadian Army in the 80's and then joining up  in 2000 down here first in the reserves and now the regs, i can put in my 5 cents. (we don't use any cents less than 5 as we round up or down)

The traditions are very similar and the method of operations is similar.  Back in the 80s we used to do Tues & Thurs nights and several weekends a month (continual NTD / TQ1 Drivers Cses).  Here it is one night a week and generally lucky to get a weekend and forget the long weekends we never got back in Canada.  They don't tend to run Cses during the training tear (at least not in my experience. 

Sydney depending on where you are living and where you are parading could be a cut lunch apart. 

I'm Loving it in the Aussie Army.

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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2009, 03:25:27 »
Dont think for a moment that the Australian Army is worlds apart from the Canadian or that we're somehow more professional then you. I'd argue, as someone who's seen boths sides (if only for 6 Canadian months) that the opposite is true. Unlike your Reserves, ours dont get the opportunity anymore to go overseas with the Reg's. My thoughts in Canada were that the Canadian Army, due to the amounts of troops you've lost in Afghan, has a mind more set for war fighting and is a Army at war. The Australian Army simply isnt. Until recently the casualties we've had have been, with a couple of exceptions, SF. So dont think you'll be rocking up to a JTFninjasnipercamp full of the War-riest people you've ever met. We're just anothing Army, like yours, but that hasnt experienced the same War that you have.
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Re: Canadian reservist attach to ADF reserves?
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2009, 23:43:21 »
This thread has reared itself at an amost ideal point in my life:
I've been offered a job in Edmonton for 2011. I am currently and ADF MO (Anaesthetist). I am interested in obtaining any contact details for the medical detachment in the area (15 Medical Company). According to the Memorandum of Understanding between Australia and Canada, I can parade with a CF Unit and not jeopardise my ADF service. I need a sympathetic unit in Canada and one here in Australia who is willing to support my application.
I have ben to, and perused, the 15 Med Coy webpage via the DND portal, but I am most interested in anyone can point me towards the contact details (email would be nice) for the Adjudant or clerks. I have the luxury of over 12 months until I start my new job.
Thank you in advance, hoping somone can help.
David

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Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2010, 03:55:47 »
Hi guys,

I don't really know where to put this so I will give recruiting a crack!

Just to be clear, I don't want to join, just be attached to.

I am a 23 year old 6 year Australian Reserve Soldier in the Royal Australian Army Medical Corps. This year I am back at uni studying Commerce at the University of Adelaide and next year, most likely semester 2 (later half of the year) I will be studying overseas. It's a little while away but just in case it turns out to be early 2011 I want to cover all the bases as I would have to apply in a couple months.

At one point I only really wanted to study in the US but since then I was reminded of the MoU between our countries. This would definitely change my mind and the UK is out as it's just to damn expensive and ever since they were gifted the Ashes back they have been unbearable.

Of course I will be going through my CoC but what am I looking out for and what should I do to improve my chances?

Any info at all or past experience would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2010, 07:43:02 »
Hi guys,

I don't really know where to put this so I will give recruiting a crack!

Just to be clear, I don't want to join, just be attached to.

I am a 23 year old 6 year Australian Reserve Soldier in the Royal Australian Army Medical Corps. This year I am back at uni studying Commerce at the University of Adelaide and next year, most likely semester 2 (later half of the year) I will be studying overseas. It's a little while away but just in case it turns out to be early 2011 I want to cover all the bases as I would have to apply in a couple months.

At one point I only really wanted to study in the US but since then I was reminded of the MoU between our countries. This would definitely change my mind and the UK is out as it's just to damn expensive and ever since they were gifted the Ashes back they have been unbearable.

Of course I will be going through my CoC but what am I looking out for and what should I do to improve my chances?

Any info at all or past experience would be greatly appreciated.

What city are you going to? There's an Aussie Captain I met on Remembrance Day who's doing this with the Loyal Edmonton Regiment.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2010, 08:14:14 »
RN or MD? I worked with a trauma doc a couple years ago who was doing the same(ish) thing. Oz to Canada. I may be able to find a name if it would help.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2010, 08:23:13 »
No personal experience, but I do remember reading this article:

http://www.cflc.forces.gc.ca/new-sp/bp/2010-04-eng.asp

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International and Bilateral Support for Reservists

How often have we heard of a Reservist having to make a decision to abandon or defer his or her military career in order to accept a transfer, secondment or assignment out of Canada? Or of a student Reservist leaving the unit to attend a foreign university? Now there is a mechanism in place to support these Reservists, who move temporarily to the United States, Australia or the United Kingdom. As a result, a number of Reservists each year will not have to make a choice between a military career and a civilian career.

Under the auspices of the Reserve Force Training Program (RFTP), Canada has recently signed bilateral Memoranda of Understanding (MOU) with Australia and the United Kingdom. On January 31, 2010, the Chief Reserves and Cadets and the American Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs signed an MOU at NATO Headquarters in Brussels, to implement the RFTP between Canada and the United States. The United Kingdom and Australia have a similar arrangement in place. It is also possible that these MOU will serve as models for other bilateral or multi-lateral arrangements amongst member nations of NATO and / or within the ABCA community of Australia, Britain, Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

The Canada-US MOU permits selected Reservists, who are temporary residents of either nation and who are qualified in their military occupation, to undertake a Reserve assignment or to participate in training with the other country. The RFTP will also maintain an active relationship between Canadian and American Reserve components, and will in the long term permit a greater understanding between the Reserve Forces and increased inter-operability. These aims are similar to those of Canada’s MOUs with the United Kingdom and Australia, and that between Australia and the United Kingdom, and Australia and New Zealand.

The key to the arrangements of the MOU is that the Reservist remains under the administrative and disciplinary control of his or her parent Reserve unit, and is therefore entitled to all national pay, allowances and benefits as if he or she were serving at home. The host country will pay travel and other costs associated with unit training. The hosting military will cover the costs of emergency medical or dental treatment for an injury sustained while on duty in the foreign country, while the home country will assume liability for long-term care resulting from such an injury.

Clearly there are benefits from the RFTP to be realised by both the Reservist and by the two Reserve Forces. The Reservist has the opportunity to continue a military career and not sacrifice one career for the other. In addition, the Reservist can learn how an allied military works, acquire new skills and gain new military experiences. The sending country benefits by not losing a trained Reservist, and in the longer term, gets back a more rounded individual. The gaining country also benefits from having a qualified service member who can bring a new perspective to the unit. This spirit of international co-operation is therefore most decidedly a win-win situation.

I guess it would help to know which unit you want to train with. Health Services Primary Reserve Units

Good luck, and let us know how it works out.
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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2010, 09:16:38 »
I had an Aussie medic attached/parading with my company back in the 1990's fro a year. Really can't remember the paperwork involved (and probably changed some too) but i is doable. we even managed to get him qualified ont he C7- C9 etc.and Basic Winter Warfare.  Mind as we were a Kilted Regiment he did look abit odd on parade.  8)
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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2010, 00:59:50 »
Thanks lads, good advice.

I am actually a Medic, not MO or RN. When we say soldier in Australia nine times out of ten we mean an OR.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2010, 04:03:34 »
G'Day Cobber!

I am a former ARA turned Choc, based out of a 11 Bde Unit in Enoggera.

Your request to parade in Canada can be done. You'll normally get your ARTDs as you would with your AGR Unit. Pay goes into your Aust bank acct, and accessed thru ATMS in Canada. Best to go thru your ARA Trg WO, with any evidence you can provide to assist you. If he says no, he is being lazy or ignorant. On the other hand he might know more about it himself.

Macca, the provision is there, and I've seen it done. I can give you further info via PM.

The key to everything is time, as it might take up to a year to get it going. Plan now.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2010, 03:18:44 »
I'll ask next Tuesday, thanks bud. Our new TRG WO seems pretty switched so far, the OPSGT is even better.

I will let you all know the results. Thanks.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2010, 10:59:15 »
Memorial University of Newfoundland (St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada) - Excellent Business School, low tuition rates, extremely friendly locals, reserve field ambulance unit in close proximity.

http://www.mun.ca/
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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2010, 11:18:06 »
macattack:  PM inbound.  Read it and contact me.

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Re: Australian Parading in Canada
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2010, 11:31:04 »
Australian Reservists can parade with Canadian Reserve units under the Reserve Forces Foreign Service Agreement (RFFSA), signed between Canada and Australia.   In short, the Reservists must be qualified to the operational functional point (OFP) which, in Canada, is DP1.  Requests are usually made to accommodate Reservists who find themselves in the other nation by virtue of school/work or spousal school or work commitments.  Pay, LDA etc are paid by the sending state.  TD and associated training costs (ammo, rations, quarters) are paid by the host nation.

The reverse, a Canadian "going south", is also possible.  To be eligible, the Reservist must apply through their chain of command.  A host unit should be contacted to ensure that the incoming Reservist has a position while in Canada.  If a host unit cannot be located (or the member doesn't know where to start) Director Reserves can help.

RFFSAs also exist between Canada and the United Kingdom and, recently, the United States.

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Reserve Forces Foreign Service Arrangements
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2012, 06:36:05 »
Hi,

I'm an ADF reserve heading to the UK for a year or two with my partner (she's a briton) later this year and I'm just trying to find out as much as I can about the MOUs and RFFSA before presenting to my chain of command about it. But in all honesty I don't even know where to begin. I've been googling and forum searching for a few hours now. I've found 2 potential units in her home district. Should I contact them directly and inform them I'd like to be able to parade with them later this year under a MOU/RFFSA, looking for a heads up on what they think?

Basically any information / help / ways to get the ball rolling would be appreciated.

Thanks in adv for any info or advice.

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Re: Reserve Forces Foreign Service Arrangements
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2012, 07:54:56 »
PM me your e-mail address.  I am the Canadian Forces desk officer for the RFFSA.
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Can a Canadian reservist attach post to British TA unit?
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2012, 15:16:52 »
Hey gents, I saw a year or two ago that an agreement was made between the Canadian Army and the British Army that allowed reservists from each other's armed forces to attach post to (or at least train with) a reserve unit in the other's country. I haven't unfortunately been able to find that again so I was wondering if anyone knows what I'm talking about or has any insight into the matter.

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Re: Can a Canadian reservist attach post to British TA unit?
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2012, 15:23:17 »
CANFORGEN 177/12 VCDS 023/12 281909Z SEP 12
RESERVE CLASS A FOREIGN SERVICE AND TRAINING PROGRAMS
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. MOU BETWEEN DND AND THE UK MOD CONCERNING THE RESERVE FORCES FOREIGN SERVICE ARRANGEMENT (RFFSA) DATED 17 MAY 05

B. MOU BETWEEN DND AND THE AUSTRALIAN DOD CONCERNING THE RFFSA DATED 20 JUN 07

C. MOU BETWEEN DND AND THE USA DOD CONCERNING THE RESERVE FOREIGN TRAINING PROGRAM (RFTP) DATED 04 FEB 10



CHIEF RESERVES AND CADETS (C RES AND CDTS) SIGNED THE REF DOCS FOR CANADA ENABLING MEMBERS OF THE PRIMARY RESERVE (P RES) FROM CANADA, UK, USA OR AUSTRALIA TO PARADE IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHILE MAINTAINING THEIR CLASS A PARADING STATUS AT THEIR HOME UNITS. THESE ARRANGEMENTS ENSURE DUTY OF CARE FOR MEMBERS PARADING IN THE RECEIVING STATE, A CONTINUATION OF SVC WITH THE PARENT UNIT WHILE OUT OF THE COUNTRY, AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPARE, AND CONTRAST TRG WITH ALLIED NATIONS


THE AIM OF THIS MSG IS TO PROMULGATE THE PROCESS REQUIRED TO ACCESS THE RFFSA WITH THE UK AND AUSTRALIA AND THE RFTP WITH THE USA TO ENSURE THAT P RES CLASS A MBRS ARE AWARE OF THE OPTION TO PARADE OUTSIDE CANADA WHEN THE NECESSITY ARISES DUE TO CIV CIRCUMSTANCES REQUIRING AN INTERNATIONAL RELOCATION, AND WHEN THE RECEIVING STATE IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE P RES MEMBER AT A LOCAL UNIT


APPROVAL AND COORD OF THE MOU S IS DONE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL BETWEEN THE SIGNATORY MOD STAFFS. C RES AND CDTS IS THE NATIONAL AUTHORITY FOR CF RESERVISTS AND IS ALSO THE AUTHORITY FOR FOREIGN RESERVISTS WISHING TO BE HOSTED BY A CF P RES UNIT. THE DIRECTOR RESERVES (D RES) IS THE OFFICE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADMIN OF THE MOU S ON BEHALF OF C RES AND CDTS


P RES MEMBERS MAY APPLY THROUGH THEIR CHAIN OF COMMAND (C OF C) TO D RES FOR PERMISSION TO PARADE OUTSIDE CANADA. D RES WILL MAKE APPLICATION TO INTERNATIONAL STAFFS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND NOTIFY THE C OF C WHEN PERMISSIONS ARE IN PLACE ENABLING FOLLOW ON DIRLN FOR SENDING AND RECEIVING UNITS


P RES MBRS RELOCATING TO COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE UK, USA OR AUSTRALIA MAY APPLY FOR CONSIDERATION TO PARADE ON A CLASS A BASIS USING ONE OF THE EXISTING MOU S AS A TEMPLATE. D RES WILL THEN DETERMINE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A PARADING ARRANGEMENT TO BE MADE OR NOT


APPLICANTS AND THE C OF C ARE REMINDED THAT P RES MBRS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO PARADE IN THE RECEIVING STATE UNTIL ALL AUTHORIZATIONS HAVE BEEN GRANTED BY THE CF AND THE RECEIVING STATE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE MOU S PERMIT BUT DO NOT COMPEL SIGNATORY NATIONS TO HOST INDIVIDUAL P RES MEMBERS DURING INTERNATIONAL CIVILIAN RELOCATIONS. LOCAL CIRCUMSTANCES MAY ARISE WHICH MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR A RECEIVING STATE TO GRANT A CF P RES MBR S REQUEST


THE GUIDES TO USING THE EXISTING RFFSA AND RFTP ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE D RES STAFF UPON REQUEST. THE D RES DESK OFFICER IS CWO J DEVINE, D RES 3-2, CSN 995-6581 E-MAIL: JAMES.DEVINE(AT)FORCES.GC.CA


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Re: Can a Canadian reservist attach post to British TA unit?
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2012, 15:30:03 »
CWO Devine is a member and frequent contributor on here.  Feel free to contact me by e-mail or PM.
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Re: Can a Canadian reservist attach post to British TA unit?
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2012, 18:01:34 »
Does anybody know someone who has gone through the process of using the MOU's before?  Was it a fairly lengthy and difficult process or was it pretty straightforward in the end by just going through the CoC etc.?

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Re: Can a Canadian reservist attach post to British TA unit?
« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2012, 21:14:22 »
Does anybody know someone who has gone through the process of using the MOU's before?  Was it a fairly lengthy and difficult process or was it pretty straightforward in the end by just going through the CoC etc.?

I have extensive experience with all three current MOUs.  I'm CWO Devine.   ;D

In short, the length of the process depends a number of factors, such as:

- how expeditiously your chain of command can get the request to us at NDHQ;
- which country you are going to;
- if you have already identified a potential host unit in the receiving state; and
- the completeness of your submission.

The entire process can be done by e-mail.  If your CO provides a signed letter, for example, your unit can send that as a scanned .pdf, rather than by snail mail.

If you have any more general questions, post them here and I'll respond here for everyone's benefit.
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Re: CAN Reservists serving overseas (merged thread)
« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2012, 22:00:35 »
If you are a CF Class A Reservist who is living in the United States, United Kingdon or Australia and want to parade/drill with a local Reserve component unit in the country where you are living, please tell your CF parent unit about CANFORGEN 177/12 and have them start the process to legally allow you to perform training.  Not doing so could mean that you (or your dependants) may be denied benefits if you are killed or injured while serving outside of Canada.  Why take the risk?  Let us help you do it right.

If you have general questions about the process or the MOUs, please post them here and I will answer them here.  The MOUs are not presently on the Internet as our website is under review.  When they are reposted I will announce it here.

If you have specific questions about your particular circumstances, or have already initiated the process and need specific information that your chain of command cannot provide, contact me at the e-mail in the CANFORGEN or by PM.   Remember, though, that the approval process MUST follow the chain of command.  I can assist, but will not intervene, in that process.

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