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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4875 on: January 29, 2020, 00:31:16 »
You got it.

Okay. I'll get a bit detailed here. I think the picture is of a 1960s era Kanonenjagdpanzer 90 (which is quite a different vehicle from a WW2 Jagdpanzer which generally meant the Jagdpanzer IV)



Eye in the Sky, you're right about the return rollers. With the Jagdpanzer IV there were versions with three and four return rollers which, however, were always equidistant. (as an aside it also had more roadwheels than the Kannonenjagdpanzer) The Kanonenjagdpanzer, on the other hand had, three rollers of which the front two were closer together than the second was to the third. I've looked at some Roco Minitank models in 1/87 scale in which there was a version (like the one in the picture) where the two rear rollers were closer together. (Yeah. Yeah. I had a whole lot of Roco Minitanks when I was a kid)



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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4876 on: January 29, 2020, 00:58:09 »
Okay. I'll get a bit detailed here. . . .

Thanks for the detail.  The cards in the training aid that I've used does not delve down to that level and, considering the source (US  Army), probably was aimed at the lowest common denominator.  When I used them thirty odd years ago, it was certainly commented that there was a higher expectation for more detailed vehicle recognition in the Canadian Army.  We might not have had the tools for destroying them farther out, but at least we knew who to say hello to when they got close.

And though the name "Jagdpanzer" was used in multiple variations by the German Army, all the examples used in the trg aid were of contemporary vehicles expected to be encountered in NATO and Warsaw Pact forces of the 1980s.
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4877 on: January 29, 2020, 13:18:25 »
Continuing on with a simple recognition exercise.
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4878 on: January 29, 2020, 20:17:52 »
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4879 on: January 29, 2020, 20:20:39 »
Yup
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4880 on: January 30, 2020, 10:24:45 »
Those look all look like models placed in 'field mock-up' setting.  Those were my favorite training aids, compared to slide shows (using actual picture slides in a carousel projector) of Warsaw AFV, SAMs, etc on parade behind the Iron Curtain.

I believe the standard back in those days was Lev III AFV/AC rec?  I used to know vehicles back then my a bumper and tail light combination, where now I'd be lucky to remember its name or country!  We could rhyme off what you could expect in the CRP, FSE etc etc in our sleep...now I have a hard time remembering what CRP stands for.   :nod:

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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4881 on: January 30, 2020, 10:54:03 »
. . .  models placed in 'field mock-up' setting.  Those were my favorite training aids, compared to slide shows (using actual picture slides in a carousel projector) of Warsaw AFV, SAMs, etc on parade behind the Iron Curtain.


Of course, it was almost mandatory to insert one or two non-AFV slides in the carousel (usually a naked woman - wouldn't get away with it today) in order to provide variety and keep the class' attention.  Don't expect me to do similar here since unlimited porn is only a mouse click away.  What sort of training aids do they use for AFV/AC recognition now?  Some app that soldiers are expected to download to their phones?
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4882 on: January 30, 2020, 10:59:25 »
Of course, it was almost mandatory to insert one or two non-AFV slides in the carousel (usually a naked woman - wouldn't get away with it today) in order to provide variety and keep the class' attention.  Don't expect me to do similar here since unlimited porn is only a mouse click away.  What sort of training aids do they use for AFV/AC recognition now?  Some app that soldiers are expected to download to their phones?

Not sure about the Army folks anymore;  my experience in the air force is all power point training aids for the most part;  deployments and exercises there are various software and hardcopy products I've used.

Pic 1 - no sure; M113?  FV432?

Pic 2 - T 64

Pic 3 - Scimitar

Pic 4 - M109
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4883 on: January 30, 2020, 12:21:09 »
Not sure about the Army folks anymore;  my experience in the air force is all power point training aids for the most part;  deployments and exercises there are various software and hardcopy products I've used.

Pic 1 - no sure; M113? FV432?

Pic 2 - T 64   X  or is maybe

Pic 3 - Scimitar

Pic 4 - M109   

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Your answer to pic 2 is close.

This is one that needs detail.


 
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4884 on: January 30, 2020, 14:53:04 »
Heh. Heh. I still have a company worth of those Roco M113s and a battery worth of the old M109s (and a pile of other stuff) which for some 40 years now I've been planning on using in a small military base on my model railroad. Unfortunately since my third last move, all my model railroad stuff is also squirreled away in boxes. Sigh. Spending way too much time  :blah: ing on computers.

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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4885 on: January 31, 2020, 16:17:21 »
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Pic 2 - T 64   X  or is maybe %u2713

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Your answer to pic 2 is close.

This is one that needs detail.

Detail.  The model in the pic is more than likely a T-72; that's what the US Amy said it was.  My hedging of the identification is based on a few factors.  Because differentiating between the T-64 and the T-72 often came down to size of road wheels and number of return rollers (and of course the location of the IR searchlight), I went though the cards to get a similar oblique view of a T-64 so that a size by side comparison with the T-72 model could be made.  I thought it could be a good training moment.  Well, there were no T-64 cards in that training aid (and yes, all the cards were there).  It left me scratching my head in confusion.  Why would that vehicle be excluded?  Can't answer that question. It's not as if the USA were not aware of the T-64; they've well described it (and compared it to the T-72) in FMs and int products.

Looking through some of the other reference material that I collected over the years, I found a small Canadian pamphlet "Soviet Minor Tactics", that seems to put more emphasis on the T-64 as the main battle tank that we would most likely have encountered (back then in the 1980s) if bumping up against the GSFG.  It lists the T-64 as one of the "twelve silhouettes you must know" whereas includes the T-72 almost as an afterthought on the last page as an "other vehicle".

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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4886 on: February 01, 2020, 12:07:33 »
If anyone still interested, all front forward.
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4887 on: February 01, 2020, 14:59:40 »
If anyone still interested, all front forward.
Roland SAM launcher
Not sure...ASU 85?
Wiesel?
Panhard armoured car of some sort.
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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4888 on: February 01, 2020, 17:36:50 »
1) Roland on Marder chassis
2) PT-76
3) Tough one - Marder?
4) Saladin

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Re: Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread
« Reply #4889 on: February 01, 2020, 17:46:46 »
Roland SAM launcher   
Not sure...ASU 85?      X
Wiesel?    X
Panhard armoured car of some sort.    X

You got #1.  This is the West German system with the Roland mounted on a Marder chassis.

1) Roland on Marder chassis   
2) PT-76   
3) Tough one - Marder?   
4) Saladin   

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