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PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« on: August 13, 2006, 08:40:59 »
I would like to build a pace stick however I do not have the required metal parts. I may also build a gift drill cane for a departing CF member. Could someone post the address to a supplier of the harware.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2006, 09:07:43 »
I would like to build a pace stick however I do not have the required metal parts. I may also build a gift drill cane for a departing CF member. Could someone post the address to a supplier of the harware.
Thanks in advance

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 17:42:16 »
William Scully only supplies the complete racing style pace stick. Thanks anyway

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 17:45:50 »
They take a handle of a wood shovel and put it on a lathe.  They then put the the bottom half of a 50 cal on the one end and 7.62 on the bottom.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 18:06:33 »
They take a handle of a wood shovel and put it on a lathe.  They then put the the bottom half of a 50 cal on the one end and 7.62 on the bottom.

Ummm....no.

I knew the Armour School Carpenter.....they bought broomsticks by the dozen, hacked them in half and tapered them on the lathe.

20mm on top...  .50 on bottom with bullet on the tip. Now they use a brass slug squared off    ;)

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 18:39:44 »
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 18:44:58 »
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Be careful when dealing with them.  They kept me waiting forever then finally told me they couldn't help me.

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 20:45:07 »
I've had a number of bad experiences with them also. Caveat Emptor.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 21:26:51 »
You could be right Recce.  I may have gotten my calibers mixed up.  I'll check tomorrow.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 21:33:50 »
Have dealt with Myles Penny for some 12 years.
The man deals with imports from India & Pakistan..... so he is stuck waiting for things as well... same as Scully's.  All in all, Penny's does a good job of providing you with quality products from 2nd and 3rd world countries... and takes care of the hasstles of dealing with those same said countries.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 23:22:09 »
One cane that is rather hard to come by and is a Regimental tradition in my old Reserve unit is the useage of a Irish Black Cherry cane as a drill cane for the RSM and SSMs.

I'm not sure that they are using them anymore. They were passed along from Germany to the reserve unit a ways back...

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 11:01:21 »
I've got a Pace stick here. This is a pic of the maker' hardware. Its from PATHFINDER in Oakville. Still in beauty shape.
email me if you want a look at it or more detailed pics.
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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 11:07:21 »
This is a good topic,

As I have been looking for harsware myself, to make pace sticks.

Does Pathfinder sell the raw hardware as well?

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 18:57:53 »
Do you have any contact information for Pathfinder in Oakville?

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Re: PACE STICK AND DRILL CANE CONSTRUCTION
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 19:14:07 »
Must say that the only cane I enjoyed was one made out of bambo. Sooo light, so easy to carry - tucked into the armpit.
Silver capped and tipped.  it now has a couple of long collars engraved with the names of all my predecessors (and successors)..... but the cane dates back to the late 20s and has started to show some splits... will have to be retired I guess.
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Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2007, 23:57:04 »
I need to know how to make a very nice looking on so i can give in to my RSM For her birth day. Any info would b great!!!


Edited by Vern ro make the topic title accurately reflective of the info sought.
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Re: Who knows how to pace either a drill cane or pace stick
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2007, 23:59:46 »
I think you need to modify your topic title to read "make a drill cane or pace stick," else you're going to get a whole bunch of answers telling you how to use them.

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Re: Who knows how to pace either a drill cane or pace stick
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2007, 00:00:58 »
How much wood working experience do you have?

Do you have a lathe - or access to one?

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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2007, 12:35:27 »
I my shop we regularly manufacture drill canes for the instructors at the school.If you need any pointers,just ask.
Depending on how complex,materials available and skill level,it can become a pretty complex procedure(you require basic woodworking skills and minor soldering and metal working skills).
Also,your gonna want to make two,because once the first is finished,your not going to want to give it away.(my biggest problem!)
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2007, 12:50:13 »
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Also,your gonna want to make two,because once the first is finished,your not going to want to give it away.(my biggest problem!)

Good point!

I'm glad you're here - as I was thinking this through, things like dimensions, etcetera came to mind.

I make custom furniture (I've turned walking sticks of various kinds, and a couple of "presentation" drill canes, but haven't done an "official" drill canes) - and I'd be more than willing to assist you talk this fellow through the process - between the two of us (and perhaps others), we might be able to get him through it (depending upon his skill level, as you pointed out).

Edit to change "pace stick" to "drill cane" - I've NEVER made a pace stick - don't know what I was thinking when I typed that.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2007, 13:11:06 »
Dimensions I can post tomorrow once I have a look at my cheat sheet at work.
An alternative to the 20mm casing we have used in the past,as well if the "cap" is to be engraved is a yellow brass cap turned on a lathe with a slightly rounded mushroom style head.Unless you have the skill set or know somebody(AKA Mat tech)to do this,the 20mm is the easiest option.Even by going the 20mm route,there is still a little bit of hand tools and basic skill required(using a hacksaw to rough cut the casing,filing to finished length,fitting the cap to the cane and the final polishing of the cap).
If your ever in Wx,you can see one of the more complex canes that our shop has made(not myself) for the base RSM.We call it the "pimp stick".We had to mount a hollow brass Buffalo head as the cap to the cane.That monstrosity had to be brazed to a hand made plate,which in turn had to brazed to a cap,fitted to the cane,then filled to give it the proper weight and feel.Excellent craftmanship,but man it's ugly!
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2007, 13:18:02 »
Can't see me in Wx any time soon (I spent a significant portion of my life there prior to retiring!), as I'm now located in Terrace, BC - bit of a drive.  But if you've got pictures I'd be interested in the "Pimp Stick".

Hell - maybe I'll dust off the lathe (I rarely use it, except to match existing spindles and so on - I use a pantograph) and have a go at it just for the practice.  Probably not for a while, though - I'm in the midst of constructing a new shop.
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2007, 13:25:30 »
An interesting topic indeed.  A new pace stick is on my "to-do" list for a rainy weekend this fall.  I have already acquired a very nice piece of red oak for it.

However, rather than rip the guts out of an old stick to build the new one, does anyone know a supplier of the "shiny bits" need for a pace stick?
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2007, 13:39:39 »
I have seen many RSMs canes & pace-sticks.  I have carried many canes & pace-sticks.
One of the biggest problems I have found with most is the weight.  What is nice VS what is practical will depend on who you are talking to.  If it's a presentation piece or one that will only be brought out once in a blue moon then oak & "pimp" hardware is all find and good BUT, if you're tooting around with one on a regular basis, then pine or Bamboo is the best.

Carried a bamboo cane that dated back to the 1920s.  Silver head & tip + silver sleeves engraved with past RSMs & their terms in office.  It was a real beaut.  Even with all the silver it was easy to carry on for a couple of hours.  (did have to have the head hammered out a couple of times - cane's NOT mine :))
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Re: Who knows how to make either a drill cane or pace stick??
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2007, 14:08:34 »
I've had and used a pine stick.  Pine is a softwood and therefore bruises easily.  For something similar, and of a lower density than oak, you could use maple or ash.  If you have some quartersawn tamarack, the grain patterns can be quite striking if finished with a light transparent stain.  But tamarack is a species of pine and is a softwood (but not as soft as ).

Bamboo is, technically, a grass.
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