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Re: Ceremonial Guard (CG) Mega Thread [MERGED]
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2008, 18:22:47 »
Ceremonial Guard without the CGG....
even the GGFG wouldn't wish that on us..

One thing is for sure, theres lots of crazy talk going on at HCC...  If they kick us out, i will be very disappointed with CG. 
Reservists need the experience, even if its shinning boots, and whats up with the black watch not getting any positions?  not a good sign







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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2008, 18:25:46 »
logan7979 things will probably change again in a week then again the week after that its CG - haven't heard that blackwatch got completely cut out - ill try and find out more when i can.
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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2008, 18:45:02 »
We haven't had many apply this year; most of us, myself included, will be working elsewhere. But those who did were told, quite simply, that there were no positions available for us. I'll poke around with other 34 Brigade units, see if they're getting the same thing...

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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2008, 22:11:49 »
Wow yeah no CGG?  According to my sources, there will be quite a few spots for us, as usual.  Even for the newbies,
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« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2008, 22:27:21 »
Hey all,

I've heard that CG is open to all MOCs this year.  I've applied for a position through my unit's Operations WO, and am waiting out.

Can anyone confirm/deny whether there are not a plethora of empty positions?  I've heard that in recent years they've been dying for rank and file types to fill the spaces.

Anyone with any info on this?

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« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2008, 23:19:26 »
They have been dying for rank and file - yet there seems to be this very selective list thing going right now.  Higher is probably trying to squeeze as much savings out as they can.  If they can do 6 and 3 to save money they will do it.  And they wonder why alot of people don't return to CG...
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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2008, 23:23:42 »
I'm trying to make this happen through my CoC but I'm skeptical as to whether they'll do anything about it.  Any chance one of you might know who I should get into contact with at CG?  Feel free to PM.

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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2008, 08:52:38 »
HighlandIslander that is what I have heard through my rumor mill as recently as last night, now whether or not that will change is still up in the air, as is most things regarding CG.

helpup, I was at CG in 06 and last summer (I was also there last may when you were pl wo for the bmq).  Hope 3RCR is treating you alright.

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2008, 09:03:36 »
Based on working at the higher levels of it, with out doing any digging since I am no longer with them.  I just want to add that you will hear all kinds of rumours about the CG, and even more reasons for them.  Most of the time it wont be accurate information or more to the point, complete info. 

Some things you can be sure of.  There will be a CG, they will require troops from it, if the usual sources can provide fine if not it goes out to a national level.  Don't forget we have a higher numbers committed due to the Stan and the reserves are backfilling there and in Canada for a manpower shift.  Your Ops staff will get the manning and post it out.  It is still early in the season for it to be fully manned and even a couple of years ago there was some shuffling at the last min. 

Mounting the Guard is the primary goal, having troops sitting on there A@* instead of doing productive Trg is never the goal.  However due to either money, NCO's or resources is sometimes the case.  That does open up the avenue for getting a awesome personal PT schedule in there.  And if there is no set Trg Plan I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that some switched on NCO's will come up with effective Trg for at least part of the summer.
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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2008, 11:01:25 »
This is really news to me, coming from the CGG, and even on the official Army website, it states that CG is performed by members of the GGFG from Ottawa and the CGG from Montreal, with a support element of I'm guessing service trades from the 34 Brigade and the 35??(not sure about the last one) Anyhow, whats with these rumors of no CGG?  I can't wait to see the look on my Sergeants face when I tell him that one.  We are one of the staples of CG, how and why would they do this?  And Panzer, where did you hear these preposterous things?
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« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2008, 11:38:32 »
Panzer isn't necessarily all wrong.  There are plenty of rumours flying around and that is exactly what they are.

Here are a few that have been floating since Sept:  "The reg force is taking over" "Open to all MOCs" "No Grenadiers" blah blah.  Speculation won't get you anywhere.  Talk to your OPS, they know what the tasking list is.  It's out there.

A few things you can be certain of.  There will be one company with three platoons.  If you come from anywhere other than the GGFG, plan to be wearing a different cap badge and uniform this summer.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2008, 13:54:38 »
This is really news to me, coming from the CGG, and even on the official Army website, it states that CG is performed by members of the GGFG from Ottawa and the CGG from Montreal, with a support element of I'm guessing service trades from the 34 Brigade and the 35??(not sure about the last one) Anyhow, whats with these rumors of no CGG?  I can't wait to see the look on my Sergeants face when I tell him that one.  We are one of the staples of CG, how and why would they do this?  And Panzer, where did you hear these preposterous things?

GDSM MTL, there were in fact members of 35 GBC represented last year, split between the two CGG divisions. There were pers from even farther away, as well - I think I saw a RNBR hatbadge, and we had someone from the PLF filling in as staff.

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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2008, 15:30:52 »
GDSM MTL, there were in fact members of 35 GBC represented last year, split between the two CGG divisions. There were pers from even farther away, as well - I think I saw a RNBR hatbadge, and we had someone from the PLF filling in as staff.

I have no doubts that other regiments are involved and should be, but Panzer's comment about "CGG is no longer an official part of CG" was what really baffled me
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« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2008, 12:38:52 »
I have no doubts that other regiments are involved and should be, but Panzer's comment about "CGG is no longer an official part of CG" was what really baffled me

That's what I heard through the grape vine / rumour mill GDSM MTL.  I do know as of right now for my unit that we will be getting 58 positions for rank and file.  Now whether this is the final word on it - doubt it - its CG. 
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« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2008, 19:00:08 »
In many ways, it's going to be a question of MONEY!!!
the Ceremonial Guard budget is handled by Central Area... The army of the Middle as it were.
The GGFG belong to the middle.... while the CGG belong to the Army of the east.... So, you can prepare yourself to see the CG positions offered by preference to the GGCG & LFCA troops interested in a summer's worth of ceremonial drill...

Will there be CGG troops as part of the CG... you can probably count on it.  The unoficial "brigade of guards" club will make sure of that....

Then again, considering the reservists tied up in ROTO training.... will LFCA units be able to fill CG positions..... I think not.
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« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2008, 16:19:18 »
In many ways, it's going to be a question of MONEY!!!

It always is - and if CG can find a way of using less troops (which personally is a bad idea - scarlets stink to high heaven after 3 days, and we pull 6 day rotations because of troop level) to save money they will.
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« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2008, 18:03:36 »
not my point.... the money for the CG task is given out by LFCA.  They will, by preference, pay it out to LFCA troops alone if they can get away with it.... and Too bad for the CGG
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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2008, 00:27:15 »
not my point.... the money for the CG task is given out by LFCA.  They will, by preference, pay it out to LFCA troops alone if they can get away with it.... and Too bad for the CGG

 They key words here are "if they can get away with it", which to my knowledge, they cannot.  Too bad for CGG? We're Canada's oldest militia unit, do you really think we're going to just fade away from the CG?  There's a reason we are given precedence.
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« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2008, 00:33:36 »
I may be a driver with CG this summer.

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« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2008, 07:54:41 »
Good luck for all those doing the CG,  it is a great experience overall.  Yes there is times you may be shaking your head as to what is going on or not going on in regards to training.  But look at it this way.  The CG is a military show much like Cirque De Solie.  There is Prop's, costumes precise movements or drill that is performed in front of a " audience" and that of course also includes the Band.  There are those who are required in the background to make the show run smoothly.  Such as Drivers, storemen, medics, clerks, cameramen, the list goes on. 

The primary goal of the CG is mounting of the changing of the guard on the hill, providing the guard for the GG's residence and I think they have included a Guard for the War Memorial for at least part of the summer as well.  Those tasks and getting ready for them are Priority #1 everything else is and will take a back seat to it.  Other tasks that could also be ongoing during that time is sending ( usually part of the Band ) to the NS Tattoo ( although that may not happen every year as the Tattoo changes its format slightly from year to year).  There is Fortissimo that if run combines CF bands to perform on the hill with a Silent drill team from the CG ( good clip on Youtube) and the gun run.   The CF Gun run has been for the past couple of years supported by the CG and is another tasking opportunity for both Reserves and Regs. 

For all those events you have to have practice practice and if you mess up will practice some more to get it right.  Regardless of anyones personal outlook on drill if you have to do it then doing it right should be your only goal.  As we are in the military and your getting paid anyway to be there for a block of the summer.  The Army can and has included other training as manpower, funds, and time permit.  This fluctuates year to year and by the sounds of it will be somewhat restricted this year.  ( but I don't have the facts on that and unless you work in HQ for it neither does anyone else. )

As for units traditionally being the core of it or who is going to run the CG that is all going to depend on the CFTPO local Area polled first and then out on the national levels it will go.  There is tradition for it but the reality is manpower available.  If you are not GGFG or CGG you will be re-badged during that CG experience.  I am not going to get into the whats and whys of it here but in the end does it matter?

For those who are on it for the first time enjoy, for those returning remember to help by sharing your experience with others.  Everyones goal is to put on the best show possible.  And no matter how the CG is run this year. ENJOYING IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU
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« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2008, 08:47:57 »
Just out of curiosity - are those in supporting roles re-badged?  I know it is the norm (as far as I've personally seen) for drivers (et al.) to be badged as soldiers in the regiment.  Does this mean that if I am a driver for the summer, I'll be GGFG or CGG?  Just curious!

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« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2008, 09:33:54 »
They key words here are "if they can get away with it", which to my knowledge, they cannot. 
Too bad for CGG? We're Canada's oldest militia unit, do you really think we're going to just fade away from the CG?  There's a reason we are given precedence.
There is a limit to what precedence will give you.
Note that it was not my intent to "diss" the CGG I have several friends that serve or have served in it's ranks.  There are many things going on here... and they are all realted to MONEY.  If LFCA cannot fill all the positions for infrastructure, rank and trade courses AND ROTO positions, then there will be no problem with the CGG (and pert much all other unit across the country) in finding employment in LFCA including CG .
HOWEVER,
In the event that LFCA has the personnel and they need all the MONEY allocated to reserve training & CG, then the CGG and other units who have traditionaly provided troops to CG, will be left on the outside - looking in....  (LFCA will after all be able to say that there is always "La Garde en Rouge up at La Citadelle" )
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« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2008, 13:37:27 »
Just out of curiosity - are those in supporting roles re-badged?  I know it is the norm (as far as I've personally seen) for drivers (et al.) to be badged as soldiers in the regiment.  Does this mean that if I am a driver for the summer, I'll be GGFG or CGG?  Just curious!

Yes they are re-badged to patch up either regiment
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« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2008, 15:11:41 »
Yes they are re-badged to patch up either regiment

You sure about that? The two years I was there, it was only the rifle coy and the band that was re-badged. Drivers, CQ/RQ, medics, clerks, you name it, they kept their own unit identities.

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« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2008, 17:03:20 »
I wasn't entirely sure.  I'd love to be a "Foot Guard" again, even if it was for the summer (I was a GGFG cadet moons ago - just a bit sentimental I suppose!).

I really wanted a rank and file position, but if I'm driivng, well, thats okay too

Anyone know what the work is like for drivers?  Will I get a bit of time off for working out and such?  I'm really hoping to take advantage of the Carleton facilities if they're available to CG.

Thanks for the responses!  Cheers!
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